Umm expert help needed to determine Deca OR Test Prop

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 04:26 AM

Sounds like a dumb question and I will be leaving out some information for reasons that may be clear to some and maybe not so to others. But anyway looking for guys who really know their compounds.

Hypothetical question...

Bottle A. contains Deca 200
Bottle B. contains test Prop 100

lets say both of these have been made using the same oil so they are the exact same colour and for some reason the labels have come off.

How can you tell the difference between A and B?

**Capebuffalo** · 09-28-2012, 04:29 AM

Probably can't

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 04:58 AM

Maybe give someone a shot, wait 3 days another shot then at day 5 get test levels checked lol

UPDATE: one may be slightly lighter in colour, both are yellow

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2012, 05:01 AM

Dont bother to try to figure it out and just plan on running the Deca 2x what you do the test and make sure you run the test around 400+ a week. let the Deca do the work and test to keep you at normal+ levels.

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 05:08 AM

Wish that was possible mate but in this "situation" that wont work

**Capebuffalo** · 09-28-2012, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Dont bother to try to figure it out and just plan on running the Deca 2x what you do the test and make sure you run the test around 400+ a week. let the Deca do the work and test to keep you at normal+ levels.

He doesn't know which vial is what.

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2012, 05:35 AM

I guess I dont understand why since the Deca is 200mg per ml and the prop is 100mg per ml
If you ran it 50/50 wouldn't it be 200mg of Deca to 100mg of prop?
Maybe I'm wrong. I have never ran prop.

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 05:39 AM

that wouldnt matter 4ml of test 100 4 ml deca 200 would workout fine if that was able to be done... info though, it not a vial so cant just use it. Need to figur this out.

Could I force them to crash some how? maybe telling the differnce based on when they crash? or some strange science experiment?

**Capebuffalo** · 09-28-2012, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I guess I dont understand why since the Deca is 200mg per ml and the prop is 100mg per ml
If you ran it 50/50 wouldn't it be 200mg of Deca to 100mg of prop?
Maybe I'm wrong. I have never ran prop.

Well see you are using all information avaliable.
You sir are a wise man. You think outside of the box
I will watch and learn. That makes sense if you put it like that.
Thx bytes

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 06:09 AM

So back to it lol

Any other suggestions?

**songdog** · 09-28-2012, 06:10 AM

Yes you have a lil problem here.Maybe if your lucky the prop will sting so you will know.Other than that its a quessing game.I would rip your source a new one.

**t-dogg** · 09-28-2012, 06:37 AM

LOL, this is kinda funny.

Why dont you send it out to be tested?

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

Yes you have a lil problem here.Maybe if your lucky the prop will sting so you will know.Other than that its a quessing game.I would rip your source a new one.

Hell strange question but it does add up here...

Would this work if it was into vigin muscle? just wondering becasue as far as I know a shot of anything for the first time will be painful BUT will prop generally be noticably different?

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

LOL, this is kinda funny.

Why dont you send it out to be tested?

I would no problem if I had time, which I dont

**Capebuffalo** · 09-28-2012, 06:43 AM

I'm sorry I don't understand it's not in a vial?
Powder?

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I'm sorry I don't understand it's not in a vial?
Powder?

Cant be because he wants to make it crash. If it was powder he could do a heat/melt test.

I'm with songdog. Most people get a lot more pain/discomfort out of prop than Deca even with virgin muscle or at least it last longer. Do you have any non virgin muscle? Have you pinned before?

**Bulkn** · 09-28-2012, 07:11 AM

Well deca in my quad and i wont feel it but put prop in my leg and i wont be able to walk for a week! Not really keen to be a test rat maybe if u can wait 4 weeks.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-28-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I'm sorry I don't understand it's not in a vial?
Powder?

it sound like he brewed some deca and prop and once they were completed the got mixed up. So now doesnt know which is which

**Capebuffalo** · 09-28-2012, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

it sound like he brewed some deca and prop and once they were completed the got mixed up. So now doesnt know which is which

roomate pulled the oh switch a roo?

**Lunk1** · 09-28-2012, 08:38 AM

Are we talking such a quantity here that it matters if you just threw it away???

**stray** · 09-28-2012, 08:41 AM

Not positive but they might be different weights due to one being 200mg/ml and one being 100mg/ml...... try getting a postage scale and check? Its just a thought .....so if some knows for sure if they are supposed to weigh the same or not correct me. This is assuming they are new and filled to proper ml

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by stray

Not positive but they might be different weights due to one being 200mg/ml and one being 100mg/ml...... try getting a postage scale and check? Its just a thought .....so if some knows for sure if they are supposed to weigh the same or not correct me. This is assuming they are new and filled to proper ml

??????????

Maybe the atomic weight but you are not going to be able to weigh the difference even if you do an exact measurement of ml or drops.

**Lunk1** · 09-28-2012, 09:09 AM

Again...are we talking 2 10-20 ML vials...throw them away. We talking "hot off the stove" that sucks!

I wonder if there would be a slight taste difference that would be enough for one to tell.

**DanB** · 09-28-2012, 12:09 PM

i agree with the others, pip is the only way i can think of to try tell the difference but it is far from fool proof

deca for me is painless, prop has a little kick to it, but that isnt to say that your deca wasnt brewed with a high ba content or whatever and in turn could give some pip, so again not fool proof but if your determined to use them up then it is only thing i can think of

**Bonaparte** · 09-28-2012, 01:01 PM

Easy: freezer test.
Whichever one crashes is prop.

**DanB** · 09-28-2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Easy: freezer test.
Whichever one crashes is prop.

was hoping you would chime in as im interested in this aswell

i thought of that but assumed deca would also crash

why wouldnt the deca crash? i know it generally thought of as pretty stable but so is test e and that will crash in a freezer test

**Sworder** · 09-28-2012, 01:26 PM

Since Test Prop has a higher melting point than Deca I would guess that the Test Prop will crystallize in the solution before the Deca does. In theory it should work

**Bonaparte** · 09-28-2012, 01:30 PM

The deca may crash eventually, but the prop is far less stable and will crash first.

Originally Posted by DanB

was hoping you would chime in as im interested in this aswell

i thought of that but assumed deca would also crash

why wouldnt the deca crash? i know it generally thought of as pretty stable but so is test e and that will crash in a freezer test

**DanB** · 09-28-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

The deca may crash eventually, but the prop is far less stable and will crash first.

so we have a "first to crash race" lol

good info as per usual

thanks

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 06:46 PM

****in awesome
Guys will do crash and pip test.

Couldn't give to much info but the general idea seems to be understood, well at least guessed. And no I couldn't toss it or or just use it, its not even mine this is purely hyperthetical... Pissed that my supplier didn't pack properly and one leaked, rubbing off labels.

Now back to it

**DanB** · 09-28-2012, 06:55 PM

do us a favour and let me know how it turns out, im interested now

**gonzo6183** · 09-28-2012, 09:56 PM

A rat has been pinned...
Will move onto the freezer test soon and come back with reports lol

Cheers guys

**dec11** · 09-28-2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by gonzo6183

Maybe give someone a shot, wait 3 days another shot then at day 5 get test levels checked lol

UPDATE: one may be slightly lighter in colour, both are yellow

means nothing. to put into context, ive had orange tren and ive had almost clear tren, both worked equally.

**dec11** · 09-28-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

LOL, this is kinda funny.

Why dont you send it out to be tested?

that would cost more than buying more gear

**dec11** · 09-28-2012, 10:09 PM

front load both bottles and buy more labelled stuff.

thats what i'd, but then im a greedy b@stard lol.

no offence to anyone in the the thread, but no amount of broscience home testing is going to tell you whats what.

PIP isnt a clear way of telling either, ive had test prop that was painless and ive had deca that was painful

**Sworder** · 09-28-2012, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

front load both bottles and buy more labelled stuff.

thats what i'd, but then im a greedy b@stard lol.

no offence to anyone in the the thread, but no amount of broscience home testing is going to tell you whats what.

PIP isnt a clear way of telling either, ive had test prop that was painless and ive had deca that was painful

HAHAHA right on

**measuretwicecutonce** · 09-28-2012, 11:06 PM

freezer test doesn't always work. but sometimes. i would assume the lighter color one would b the deca . more hormone = less oil. less oil = lighter color. by rule of displacement. (assuming both r same ba/bb %s)

**Bonaparte** · 09-29-2012, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

front load both bottles and buy more labelled stuff.

thats what i'd, but then im a greedy b@stard lol.

no offence to anyone in the the thread, but no amount of broscience home testing is going to tell you whats what.

PIP isnt a clear way of telling either, ive had test prop that was painless and ive had deca that was painful

Solubility being affected by temperature is not bro-science. That is actual chemistry.

**gonzo6183** · 09-29-2012, 12:56 AM

Thought you got booted Dec, no? or did they let you back in...

Cheers for all the input guys ill be doing a pip test and freezer test. its my only option here

**dec11** · 09-29-2012, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Solubility being affected by temperature is not bro-science. That is actual chemistry.

i know your knowledgeable on brewing, but are you positive if would be absolutely definitive, im sure not every individual concoction will behave the same in certain conditions?

i mean broscience as in non of us are qualified in any field on science, wasnt a pop at you or anyone else.