Test e & anavar cycle... Need opinions!!!

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:10 AM

Hi was thinking of running my first cyc i am 25 at 179 pounds and at a height of 5"10. my diet will be around 3500- 4000 calories a day. need some help and opinions?

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:21 AM

1-12 Tes E 600mg 2x wk
4-12 Anvr 20mg a day too keep of any water which i have heard it gives
1-12 arim .25mg

2 weeks off (will be travelling for 12 days would i need anything on hand?)

P.C.T (5 weeks) dont know what dosages too do this at
Nol
Clo

**marcus300** · 10-03-2012, 04:35 AM

I would seriously look at your diet before starting the cycle, if your diet isnt right you wont hold onto the gains. I'd advice you to gain at least another 14lbs before cycling IMHO otherwise you could be wasting your time and effect. Diet is everything!

Start with 500mgs per week 2 x 250mgs twice per wk,
20mgs of var will do nothing,
nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50
pct 2 weeks after last injection
250ius hcg 2 x wk during the cycle
a-dex 0.25mgs eod will be fine

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:41 AM

Protein/Carbs / Fat

Meal 1 8.30am
150g of quick oats
300g egg whites
30g whey
universal animal pak
71/83/14

Meal 2 : 10.30-11am

Mixed protein powders

220g chicken breast (cooked weight)
110g wholemeal pasta (cooked weight)
100g Veggies
77/35/8

Meal 3: 1.30pm
Same as meal 2
77/35/8

Meal 4: 4-4.30pm
Large Tin of tuna 185g
188g oat bran mixed in 30g of protein powder
91/80/24

Meal 5: 7-7.30pm (post wo)
45g Wpi
84g dextrose
40/80/0

Meal 6: 8.30pm
300g lean beef/kangaroo patties
200g veggies
90/10/15

Meal 7: 11pm
50g micellar casein
4 1000tg fish oil tablets
1 500mg calcium tablets
40/2/5

Total: 486/330/88
Total Calories: 3992

That is the reason for var at a small dose just to keep me lean whilst i feed my body with i believe the best nutritional plan. or do you reccomened to go without it or try something else or even use clen ?

**Shsm** · 10-03-2012, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

1-12 Tes E 600mg 2x wk 500 mg pinned on Monday and Thursday. One pin in the AM, the other in the PM.
4-12 Anvr 20mg a day too keep of any water which i have heard it gives Drop the Anavar until your next cycle. Since this is your first cycle, you need to see how your body reacts to Testosterone. You're not going to be able to distinguish which steroid out of the two is giving you the unwanted side effects with no prior experience to either.
1-12 arim .25mg Good. Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD should suffice. Adjust to 0.5 mg EOD if necessary.

2 weeks off (will be travelling for 12 days would i need anything on hand?) Okay. Wait 14 days after your last injection before starting your PCT.

P.C.T (5 weeks) dont know what dosages too do this at 4 weeks should suffice for a basic Testosterone cycle.
Nol 40 mg/20 mg/20 mg/20 mg
Clo 100 mg/50 mg/50 mg/50 mg

Chrisan... Welcome man...

See red. Also get your blood work done before cycling, during cycling, after cycling, and after PCT.

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:45 AM

cheers bro. thanks for the help
my bottle is dosed at 200mg/1ml and have 3 bottles reason for the 600mg do you believe its too much?

**marcus300** · 10-03-2012, 04:47 AM

Go with 400-500mgs, its only your first cycle

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:47 AM

sorry bro yeh 500 is good i got mixed up for a second lol

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

cheers bro. thanks for the help
my bottle is dosed at 200mg/1ml and have 3 bottles reason for the 600mg do you believe its too much?

How much are you going to run, you may not have enough

If you want to use only 3 vials them you need to run 400mg week

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:50 AM

DAN B

got mixed up with the dosage for a second all good i would need another one to do it at that per week. 500mg looks fine for my first cycle

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

DAN B

got mixed up with the dosage for a second all good i would need another one to do it at that per week. 500mg looks fine for my first cycle

You dont have enough, you need to run 400mg if only 3 vials

**Shsm** · 10-03-2012, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

DAN B

got mixed up with the dosage for a second all good i would need another one to do it at that per week. 500mg looks fine for my first cycle

You'll need one more vial bro.

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 04:56 AM

200mg/1ml = 2000mg per 10ml vial. i have 3 of them meaning it will be at 6000mg / 12 = 500mg per week is that wrong?

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

200mg/1ml = 200mg per 10ml vial. i have 3 of them meaning it will be at 600mg / 12 = 500mg per week is that wrong?

You wont get 10 1ml pins from a vial, trust me im speaking from experience

Go with 400mg as marcus suggested

**Shsm** · 10-03-2012, 05:01 AM

Or spend a little extra dough and order another vial and have some left over. It's up to you.

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 05:09 AM

i see. hopefully i can get my hands on another one if not 400mg is fine. my diet was planned after watching numerous seminars from many different body builders any opinions on it? thanks boys.

also i have my mind set on this. just asking i have read around this forum that its possible to use test prop at the start and continue on with test e so the effects of test star alot quicker and growth begins within a week or so?

**DanB** · 10-03-2012, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

i see. hopefully i can get my hands on another one if not 400mg is fine. my diet was planned after watching numerous seminars from many different body builders any opinions on it? thanks boys.

also i have my mind set on this. just asking i have read around this forum that its possible to use test prop at the start and continue on with test e so the effects of test star alot quicker and growth begins within a week or so?

This is possible but in all honesty I would keep your first cycle as simple as possible until you get to know your body

Diet is fine i.m.o all I would change is the dextrose to oats, there different opinions on it but that is what I have always done

Cals might be a little high though unless you dont mind gaining some bodyfat and 20mg var will not prevent this

**chrisan** · 10-03-2012, 05:31 AM

yeah i thought the calories may be a little high might tweak it a little to cut it down. thanks. only reason i wanted var was because i heard it was great to go with test e and give you great vascularity and keeps water weight off as well as putting on slight lean muscle gains although its expensive would clen be good to run with it?

**boxa06** · 10-03-2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by chrisan

Protein/Carbs / Fat

Meal 1 8.30am
150g of quick oats
300g egg whites
30g whey
universal animal pak
71/83/14

Meal 2 : 10.30-11am

Mixed protein powders

220g chicken breast (cooked weight)
110g wholemeal pasta (cooked weight)
100g Veggies
77/35/8

Meal 3: 1.30pm
Same as meal 2
77/35/8

Meal 4: 4-4.30pm
Large Tin of tuna 185g
188g oat bran mixed in 30g of protein powder
91/80/24

Meal 5: 7-7.30pm (post wo)
45g Wpi
84g dextrose
40/80/0

Meal 6: 8.30pm
300g lean beef/kangaroo patties
200g veggies
90/10/15

Meal 7: 11pm
50g micellar casein
4 1000tg fish oil tablets
1 500mg calcium tablets
40/2/5

Total: 486/330/88
Total Calories: 3992

That is the reason for var at a small dose just to keep me lean whilst i feed my body with i believe the best nutritional plan. or do you reccomened to go without it or try something else or even use clen?

Wow! That diet looks awfully familiar