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    problem!!! need help

    if a guy training hard, eating well, and having good rest, and tried every steroid even tren , and not growing, what can he do?

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    Eat more

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    You mean steroids aren't magic?

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick4588 View Post
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    dude...before u say something ask about the diet....and it is not me it is a friend he eats more than i do...he cant grow!!! there is something wrong, the gear is good, but his body isnt growing....!

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    What is he eating, and what's his training like? And what is his cycle?

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    I eat more at maintenance than all my friends who have 20lbs on me. Not everyone is the same. If u can grow on 2800 calories, doesn't mean he can. Tell him to see a doctor and make sure everything is fine. If so, he just needs more calories. Maybe he has a tape worm

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    Quote Originally Posted by stpete View Post
    What is he eating, and what's his training like? And what is his cycle?
    his diet:
    Meal 1: whey protein 30g + 1 cup oats
    Meal 2: 120g chicken breats + 1 cup rice + brocoli
    Meal 3: same
    Post workout: whey protein 30g
    Meal 5: 120g steak + sweet potatoes + spinach
    Meal 6: same
    Meal 7: cottage cheese + cucumber
    casein 30g before sleeping....
    and the shit is not bunk... he tested it in a lab it is good, other took the same shit and they got freat results

    the cycle is 8 weeks
    week 1-8
    tren a 75mg ed
    test p 50mg ed

    he is in the start in week 4 and no difference not even strength gains in the workout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maged View Post
    his diet:
    Meal 1: whey protein 30g + 1 cup oats
    Meal 2: 120g chicken breats + 1 cup rice + brocoli
    Meal 3: same
    Post workout: whey protein 30g
    Meal 5: 120g steak + sweet potatoes + spinach
    Meal 6: same
    Meal 7: cottage cheese + cucumber
    casein 30g before sleeping....
    and the shit is not bunk... he tested it in a lab it is good, other took the same shit and they got freat results

    the cycle is 8 weeks
    week 1-8
    tren a 75mg ed
    test p 50mg ed

    he is in the start in week 4 and no difference not even strength gains in the workout
    No wonder he isn't growing. It's his diet. Tell him to replace those shakes with animal protein. He needs more food in his diet, lots of carbs and animal meat. If he is a full ecto-morph like it sounds like then he will need to eat well above TDEE to gain. I eat 1,000 cals above TDEE to gain and I am ecto and meso morph. Tell him to get some eggs in the morning (3 full 4 whites), drink full fat milk and plenty of it. Tell him he can even eat simple carbs especially in the morning and after a workout. Eating only complex carbs is more for guys gain fat easy (IMO). Hope this helps him. I know how it feels not to gain weight, i have been there. Just wish someone told me about nutrition 10 yrs ago.

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    One of my favorite calorie stacking meals is whole wheat pasta, Beef, Sauce (spaghetti), with a couple cups of milk. Ends up being like 700-800 calories if you eat a good size plate.

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    That's not eating bro. Tell him to go to the nutrition section. I can eat all that before noon. And I'm only 200 lbs.
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    In all honesty i've eaten worse than that and still progressed.

    What's your friends stats? Sorry, should have asked that before.

    And his training?

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    Cycle only 8 weeks? Most ppl get results 5-6 weeks out in a cycle. Why stop when the results start? IMO 12 weeks should be used.

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    I'm on the app and my eyes hurt. Just noticed the "same" meals.

    Really need stats and preferably calories at least on those foods. No way to tell without portions but just by guesstimating.... Barely around 3000-3200.

    But again...stats please
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    Quote Originally Posted by stpete View Post
    In all honesty i've eaten worse than that and still progressed.

    What's your friends stats? Sorry, should have asked that before.

    And his training?
    ya i know and i am sure that with this diet if he is a normal guy he would grow and alot too! thats why i wont listen to them, his status:
    172 cm
    4 years training
    75 kgs
    11% bf

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    Curious if he has done any blood work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Curious if he has done any blood work?
    do blood work for what? trenbolone ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maged

    do blood work for what? trenbolone?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I don't know which (if any) assays are sensitive to tren but I'm pretty sure that's not what Austinite meant. Blood work could provide some indication why he's not growing. For example, if his estradiol is too high, it'll compete with testosterone , bind to receptor sites and render his gear pretty much useless. Blood work will give an indication of hormonal levels or other problems.

    What's the daily caloric intake and macros on that diet? It looks weak at a glance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maged View Post
    do blood work for what? trenbolone?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    to check if there is something else wrong with him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rwy View Post
    to check if there is something else wrong with him

    ok what bloodwork he must do? hormones or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maged

    ok what bloodwork he must do? hormones or what?
    CBC, CMP, full hormonal assay (testosterone , thyroid, cortisol, FSH, LH, estradiol) for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    CBC, CMP, full hormonal assay (testosterone, thyroid, cortisol, FSH, LH, estradiol) for starters.
    ok but what is CBC & CMP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk

    I don't know which (if any) assays are sensitive to tren but I'm pretty sure that's not what Austinite meant. Blood work could provide some indication why he's not growing. For example, if his estradiol is too high, it'll compete with testosterone , bind to receptor sites and render his gear pretty much useless. Blood work will give an indication of hormonal levels or other problems.

    What's the daily caloric intake and macros on that diet? It looks weak at a glance.
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP View Post
    Cycle only 8 weeks? Most ppl get results 5-6 weeks out in a cycle. Why stop when the results start? IMO 12 weeks should be used.
    He is doing short esters so 8 weeks is pretty standard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maged

    ok but what is CBC & CMP?
    Complete blood count (CBC)
    Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (CMP)

    A doctor should know what labs to order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    He is doing short esters so 8 weeks is pretty standard...
    Maybe I missed it. This app is driving me nuts. So you said Esthers. Plural. What other compound is he running other than tren ?
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    I am no diet guru but my first thought is lack of carbs . I think his stats and full macro breakdown would be good to see.

    Also..not that the amount of AAS is bad but it's also far from a huge gainer. It's a starter course for tren at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Maybe I missed it. This app is driving me nuts. So you said Esthers. Plural. What other compound is he running other than tren?
    prop/tren

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    Gotcha. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Gotcha. Thanks
    All those injections have you loopy bro...maybe you should lay down lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    I don't know which (if any) assays are sensitive to tren but I'm pretty sure that's not what Austinite meant. Blood work could provide some indication why he's not growing. For example, if his estradiol is too high, it'll compete with testosterone , bind to receptor sites and render his gear pretty much useless. Blood work will give an indication of hormonal levels or other problems.

    What's the daily caloric intake and macros on that diet? It looks weak at a glance.
    Took the words right out of my mouth...

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    is there shots i can take to stop hormone imbalance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitseeker View Post
    is there shots i can take to stop hormone imbalance?
    There is a POST NEW THREAD button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    He is doing short esters so 8 weeks is pretty standard...
    Ok. Well then I learned something new.

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