problem!!! need help

[Maged]

if a guy training hard, eating well, and having good rest, and tried every steroid even tren , and not growing, what can he do?

[OnTheSauce]

Eat more

[Vpunishment]

You mean steroids aren't magic?

Eat more

[Maged]

dude...before u say something ask about the diet....and it is not me it is a friend he eats more than i do...he cant grow!!! there is something wrong, the gear is good, but his body isnt growing....!

[stpete]

What is he eating, and what's his training like? And what is his cycle?

[OnTheSauce]

I eat more at maintenance than all my friends who have 20lbs on me. Not everyone is the same. If u can grow on 2800 calories, doesn't mean he can. Tell him to see a doctor and make sure everything is fine. If so, he just needs more calories. Maybe he has a tape worm

[Maged]

What is he eating, and what's his training like? And what is his cycle?

his diet:
Meal 1: whey protein 30g + 1 cup oats
Meal 2: 120g chicken breats + 1 cup rice + brocoli
Meal 3: same
Post workout: whey protein 30g
Meal 5: 120g steak + sweet potatoes + spinach
Meal 6: same
Meal 7: cottage cheese + cucumber
casein 30g before sleeping....
and the shit is not bunk... he tested it in a lab it is good, other took the same shit and they got freat results

the cycle is 8 weeks
week 1-8
tren a 75mg ed
test p 50mg ed

he is in the start in week 4 and no difference not even strength gains in the workout

[Live for the PUMP]

his diet:
Meal 1: whey protein 30g + 1 cup oats
Meal 2: 120g chicken breats + 1 cup rice + brocoli
Meal 3: same
Post workout: whey protein 30g
Meal 5: 120g steak + sweet potatoes + spinach
Meal 6: same
Meal 7: cottage cheese + cucumber
casein 30g before sleeping....
and the shit is not bunk... he tested it in a lab it is good, other took the same shit and they got freat results

the cycle is 8 weeks
week 1-8
tren a 75mg ed
test p 50mg ed

he is in the start in week 4 and no difference not even strength gains in the workout

No wonder he isn't growing. It's his diet. Tell him to replace those shakes with animal protein. He needs more food in his diet, lots of carbs and animal meat. If he is a full ecto-morph like it sounds like then he will need to eat well above TDEE to gain. I eat 1,000 cals above TDEE to gain and I am ecto and meso morph. Tell him to get some eggs in the morning (3 full 4 whites), drink full fat milk and plenty of it. Tell him he can even eat simple carbs especially in the morning and after a workout. Eating only complex carbs is more for guys gain fat easy (IMO). Hope this helps him. I know how it feels not to gain weight, i have been there. Just wish someone told me about nutrition 10 yrs ago.

[Live for the PUMP]

One of my favorite calorie stacking meals is whole wheat pasta, Beef, Sauce (spaghetti), with a couple cups of milk. Ends up being like 700-800 calories if you eat a good size plate.

[austinite]

That's not eating bro. Tell him to go to the nutrition section. I can eat all that before noon. And I'm only 200 lbs.

[stpete]

In all honesty i've eaten worse than that and still progressed.

What's your friends stats? Sorry, should have asked that before.

And his training?

[Live for the PUMP]

Cycle only 8 weeks? Most ppl get results 5-6 weeks out in a cycle. Why stop when the results start? IMO 12 weeks should be used.

[austinite]

I'm on the app and my eyes hurt. Just noticed the "same" meals.

Really need stats and preferably calories at least on those foods. No way to tell without portions but just by guesstimating.... Barely around 3000-3200.

But again...stats please

[Maged]

In all honesty i've eaten worse than that and still progressed.

What's your friends stats? Sorry, should have asked that before.

And his training?

ya i know and i am sure that with this diet if he is a normal guy he would grow and alot too! thats why i wont listen to them, his status:
172 cm
4 years training
75 kgs
11% bf

[austinite]

Curious if he has done any blood work?

[Maged]

Curious if he has done any blood work?

do blood work for what? trenbolone ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MuscleInk]

do blood work for what? trenbolone?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know which (if any) assays are sensitive to tren but I'm pretty sure that's not what Austinite meant. Blood work could provide some indication why he's not growing. For example, if his estradiol is too high, it'll compete with testosterone , bind to receptor sites and render his gear pretty much useless. Blood work will give an indication of hormonal levels or other problems.

What's the daily caloric intake and macros on that diet? It looks weak at a glance.

[Rwy]

do blood work for what? trenbolone?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to check if there is something else wrong with him

[Maged]

to check if there is something else wrong with him

ok what bloodwork he must do? hormones or what?

[MuscleInk]

ok what bloodwork he must do? hormones or what?

CBC, CMP, full hormonal assay (testosterone , thyroid, cortisol, FSH, LH, estradiol) for starters.

[Maged]

CBC, CMP, full hormonal assay (testosterone, thyroid, cortisol, FSH, LH, estradiol) for starters.

ok but what is CBC & CMP?

[austinite]

I don't know which (if any) assays are sensitive to tren but I'm pretty sure that's not what Austinite meant. Blood work could provide some indication why he's not growing. For example, if his estradiol is too high, it'll compete with testosterone , bind to receptor sites and render his gear pretty much useless. Blood work will give an indication of hormonal levels or other problems.

What's the daily caloric intake and macros on that diet? It looks weak at a glance.

Thank you.

[Lunk1]

Cycle only 8 weeks? Most ppl get results 5-6 weeks out in a cycle. Why stop when the results start? IMO 12 weeks should be used.

He is doing short esters so 8 weeks is pretty standard...

[MuscleInk]

ok but what is CBC & CMP?

Complete blood count (CBC)
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (CMP)

A doctor should know what labs to order.

[austinite]

He is doing short esters so 8 weeks is pretty standard...

Maybe I missed it. This app is driving me nuts. So you said Esthers. Plural. What other compound is he running other than tren ?

[Lunk1]

I am no diet guru but my first thought is lack of carbs . I think his stats and full macro breakdown would be good to see.

Also..not that the amount of AAS is bad but it's also far from a huge gainer. It's a starter course for tren at best.

[Lunk1]

Maybe I missed it. This app is driving me nuts. So you said Esthers. Plural. What other compound is he running other than tren?

prop/tren

[austinite]

Gotcha. Thanks

[Lunk1]

Gotcha. Thanks

All those injections have you loopy bro...maybe you should lay down lol

[mojo999]

I don't know which (if any) assays are sensitive to tren but I'm pretty sure that's not what Austinite meant. Blood work could provide some indication why he's not growing. For example, if his estradiol is too high, it'll compete with testosterone , bind to receptor sites and render his gear pretty much useless. Blood work will give an indication of hormonal levels or other problems.

What's the daily caloric intake and macros on that diet? It looks weak at a glance.

Took the words right out of my mouth...

[Hitseeker]

is there shots i can take to stop hormone imbalance?

[austinite]

is there shots i can take to stop hormone imbalance?

There is a POST NEW THREAD button.

[Live for the PUMP]

He is doing short esters so 8 weeks is pretty standard...

Ok. Well then I learned something new.