19 year old anavar

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 05:16 PM

I'm 19 years old 260pds and 6,2. I have size and strength but still a ton of fat. I am planning on running anavar for 16 weeks. I know you guys are going to say to get my training diet in check and that I'm to young but I have done my research and I am going to go though with it. But I wanted to ask you guts on advice while I'm on it what to take with it etc. I'm only running anavar not looking for gains just to drop fat and maintain my muscle
Thanks guys

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 05:18 PM

Obviously it's not safe to cycle anything at your age. However... Even if you were 30 years old. With a "ton of fat" as you stated, var will do nothing for you. You need to lower your calories (probably tremendously) and get on the treadmill 5 to 6 hours a week. Check out a thread in the nutrition section called DIETING 101: CUTTING.

Welcome and good luck.

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 05:18 PM

var wont make much a difference on your bodyfat, if it very high you will struggle to notice any difference at all

you need at least 60mg i.m.o to notice decent effect and i doubt you can afford that for 16 weeks at 19

look into eca

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

I'm 19 years old 260pds and 6,2. I have size and strength but still a ton of fat. I am planning on running anavar for 16 weeks. I know you guys are going to say to get my training diet in check and that I'm to young but I have done my research and I am going to go though with it. But I wanted to ask you guts on advice while I'm on it what to take with it etc. I'm only running anavar not looking for gains just to drop fat and maintain my muscle
Thanks guys

No testosterone or AI? Bad idea. If you know we are going to nag about diet....are you doing anything about it?

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

var wont make much a difference on your bodyfat, if it very high you will struggle to notice any difference at all

you need at least 60mg i.m.o to notice decent effect and i doubt you can afford that for 16 weeks at 19

look into eca

I will also recommend ECA instead of var.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 05:23 PM

I am on a diet lost weight and I'm about 25% fat. I just want to maintain muscle. I'm not a slacker my diet and cardio is in check just need a lil.help that's why Im going to do anavar

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

I am on a diet lost weight and I'm about 25% fat. I just want to maintain muscle. I'm not a slacker my diet and cardio is in check just need a lil.help that's why Im going to do anavar

who cares if you lose a little muscle now. Your fat loss would FAR outweigh what little muscle you would lose.

**sharmabrah** · 10-04-2012, 05:26 PM

Sixteen weeks? Clearly you have not done your research champ. You need to be AT LEAST below fourteen percent bodyfat, and that's being generous.

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

I am on a diet lost weight and I'm about 25% fat. I just want to maintain muscle. I'm not a slacker my diet and cardio is in check just need a lil.help that's why Im going to do anavar

I'd still recommend having your nutrition reviewed by our guys in the nutrition section. Most people say their diet is in check, but to be completely honest with you, a lot of people do not know what a nutrition plan for losing bf and maintaining LBM looks like. Don't assume your diet is great. Let someone take a look. If you want optimal results, be willing to let others review all aspects of your health and fitness. They may provide some very helpful recommendations.

What do you really have to lose?

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

who cares if you lose a little muscle now. Your fat loss would FAR outweigh what little muscle you would lose.

From the research I've done which is a lot var seems to me that it would help. I know about dieting and supplementing and training I work at a Vitamin shoppe (side note)

**sharmabrah** · 10-04-2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

No testosterone or AI? Bad idea. If you know we are going to nag about diet....are you doing anything about it?

It was of my belief that you don't need an AI on an Anavar cycle without testosterone ?

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

From the research I've done which is a lot var seems to me that it would help. I know about dieting and supplementing and training I work at a Vitamin shoppe (side note)

....and as I suggested at the beginning....you want to shut your natural testosterone DOWN to lose some weight? That makes no sense.

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

From the research I've done which is a lot var seems to me that it would help. I know about dieting and supplementing and training I work at a Vitamin shoppe (side note)

Ok. So let's stop reading and listen to facts. I have run var @23% BF and saw nothing. 100mg ED.

You will be disappointing. ESPECIALLY with the price of var and the chance that you might end up with bunk shit.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

....and as I suggested at the beginning....you want to shut your natural testosterone DOWN to lose some weight? That makes no sense.

To my knowledge var is mild when it comes to suppressing test
I could be mistaken

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

From the research I've done which is a lot var seems to me that it would help. I know about dieting and supplementing and training I work at a Vitamin shoppe (side note)

ok im not saying that you yourself dont know what your talking about but i.m.e majority of people are clueless in supp shops apart from the literature (if you could even call it that) provided by the supp company's

and from EXPERIENCE i still recommend to forget the var and look at eca and then mabey clen depending on your progress

can you post your diet with macros and training split/cardio for the week for us?

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

To my knowledge var is mild when it comes to suppressing test
I could be mistaken

it varys in each individual and 16 weeks with a half decent dose i would bet large sum of money it will shut you down

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

it varys in each individual and 16 weeks with a half decent dose i would bet large sum of money it will shut you down

Yes of course it's a more mild choice but Dan is correct. There are many factors and even potentially shutting down your testosterone for the sake of losing some weight isn't the way to go IMO. Moreover, if you don't have a good nutrition plan in place, you aren't going to see any effects and how do you expect to maintain any possible losses if your diet is partially contributing to the weight problem.

I appreciate the side bar but I've met many people in nutrition stores who know next to nothing about nutrition just as I've met many doctors who don't know squat about endocrine manipulation or anabolic agents. I own a fast car, but it doesn't make me a race car driver.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

ok im not saying that you yourself dont know what your talking about but i.m.e majority of people are clueless in supp shops apart from the literature (if you could even call it that) provided by the supp company's

and from EXPERIENCE i still recommend to forget the var and look at eca and then mabey clen depending on your progress

can you post your diet with macros and training split/cardio for the week for us?

Cardio 5days a week 1hour every morning and 30mins after lifting

Training 5days a week a different muscle a day chest/back/legs/shoulders /arms

Diet is basically 2egg whites with one whole egg
3 4oz grilled chicken breasts with stemmed broccoli

2 4oz tilapia with less than cup of brown rice
Casin at night and protein shakes ans bars as snacks to get me through the day

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 05:53 PM

^ go into ketosis. You will lose lots of fat quick.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

^ go into ketosis. You will lose lots of fat quick.

That's what I have been doing I have lost weight I was 270 right now I'm 252 I have strength and size bench is at 350 for 2 reps military press at 275 for 2 reps etc

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

Cardio 5days a week 1hour every morning and 30mins after lifting

Training 5days a week a different muscle a day chest/back/legs/shoulders /arms

Diet is basically 2egg whites with one whole egg
3 4oz grilled chicken breasts with stemmed broccoli

2 4oz tilapia with less than cup of brown rice
Casin at night and protein shakes ans bars as snacks to get me through the day

Is cardio fasted?

Diet looks fair but not great. Too few meals can be as bad as too much food.

Bars and shakes are typically loaded with fillers and maltodextrin or other artificial sweeteners that spike your insulin and promote fat retention. Bars and shakes are generally poor meal alternatives.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Is cardio fasted?

Diet looks fair but not great. Too few meals can be as bad as too much food.

Bars and shakes are typically loaded with fillers and maltodextrin or other artificial sweeteners that spike your insulin and promote fat retention. Bars and shakes are generally poor meal alternatives.

Morning cardio is fasted and the shakes and bars are nature ... bars have no sugar 5g crabs and 17g fiber

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Is cardio fasted?

Diet looks fair but not great. Too few meals can be as bad as too much food.

Bars and shakes are typically loaded with fillers and maltodextrin or other artificial sweeteners that spike your insulin and promote fat retention. Bars and shakes are generally poor meal alternatives.

Hard to get more meals in I try just no time to cook or sit down and eat if prepared before

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

Morning cardio is fasted and the shakes and bars are nature ... bars have no sugar 5g crabs and 17g fiber

Ok. Make sure no sugar also means no artificial sweeteners - it's not the same.

I personally think you will be better off with fewer bars and shakes and more food choices.

I used to love protein bars and shakes until I realized how bad they were for me.

**MuscleInk** · 10-04-2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

Hard to get more meals in I try just no time to cook or sit down and eat if prepared before

Understood. I work 10-14 hours a day and train 2 hours, 4 days a week and commute 4 hours a day. To maintain my daily caloric intake I have to prepare meals a few days in advance. It takes some work but its worth it.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Ok. Make sure no sugar also means no artificial sweeteners - it's not the same.

I personally think you will be better off with fewer bars and shakes and more food choices.

I used to love protein bars and shakes until I realized how bad they were for me.

Yea there no artificial sweetener that's y I get them. But I do agree 100% I rather eat food then bars and shakes so I limit them

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

That's what I have been doing

that not a keto diet so you havnt

check out our nutrition section here, abundance of info there

well done on initial wight loss, but first few pounds fall off with little effort, if you want to make real progress then you have to commit 100%

**warmouth** · 10-04-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I will also recommend ECA instead of var.

This post is as far asI have gotten. If you are in ok shape(cardio/heart wise), take this advice. I havent gotten further, so if I am out of line, please excuse me. But this is great advice, but start slow and not after about 3PM. Great advice Austinite, as usual. And 16 weeks of var is insanity man. No way even the most experienced body builders do that. DO NOT DO THIS! I had elevated liver enzymes at just 5.5 weeks. It would be a waste of money in your situation. Read all the stickies, and study them. Propose a cycle, and someone will help. More than likely not many of us will at your age, but we can at least see that you have a grasp on what you are doing. Good Luck!

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:28 PM

I appreciate all the great advice guys I really do but I'm still considering taking anavar I think it would still be beneficial for what I'm trying to do. I know I'm going there going to be real because I'm getting it from my Co worker who has taking multiple cycles and have worked

**Atomini** · 10-04-2012, 06:40 PM

I have not read any of the posts here, but discouting the issue of your age and use, these are the facts:

- Anavar does not, nor does any other anabolic steroid , burn fat. The 'fat burning' effect commonly touted by different people and profiles and so on is NOT a fat burning effect, but a nutrient partitioning effect. This will not work to reduce bodyfat if your diet is crappy, or if you are not in a caloric deficit.

- Anavar on its own is a bad idea without at least a TRT dose of testosterone to maintain normal bodily function that testosterone itself provides.

- 16 weeks on Anavar is a bad idea for reasons I need not explain.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

This post is as far asI have gotten. If you are in ok shape(cardio/heart wise), take this advice. I havent gotten further, so if I am out of line, please excuse me. But this is great advice, but start slow and not after about 3PM. Great advice Austinite, as usual. And 16 weeks of var is insanity man. No way even the most experienced body builders do that. DO NOT DO THIS! I had elevated liver enzymes at just 5.5 weeks. It would be a waste of money in your situation. Read all the stickies, and study them. Propose a cycle, and someone will help. More than likely not many of us will at your age, but we can at least see that you have a grasp on what you are doing. Good Luck!

Can't do the eca my heart is not 100%

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

Can't do the eca my heart is not 100%

then why assume its safe to use steroids if your health isnt 100%?

sounds like you are looking for a magic pill to avoid some hard work to be honest after summing up all your comments here

and sorry but its clear from your comments, not even taking into account your stats, that you arent as knowledgeable in areas of nutrition as you seem to think you are

you need to sort your diet and put in some hard work, it not what you want to hear but its the truth

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I have not read any of the posts here, but discouting the issue of your age and use, these are the facts:

- Anavar does not, nor does any other anabolic steroid , burn fat. The 'fat burning' effect commonly touted by different people and profiles and so on is NOT a fat burning effect, but a nutrient partitioning effect. This will not work to reduce bodyfat if your diet is crappy, or if you are not in a caloric deficit.

- Anavar on its own is a bad idea without at least a TRT dose of testosterone to maintain normal bodily function that testosterone itself provides.

- 16 weeks on Anavar is a bad idea for reasons I need not explain.

So I can do a 8 or 12 week cycle and I know it doesn't burn fat I'm mainly using it to maintain muscle

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

So I can do a 8 or 12 week cycle and I know it doesn't burn fat I'm mainly using it to maintain muscle

Did you read what he said?

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

then why assume its safe to use steroids if your health isnt 100%?

sounds like you are looking for a magic pill to avoid some hard work to be honest after summing up all your comments here

I have a hole in my heart and one of the vauls are small.
I'm not looking for a way out of hard work I'm putting the hard work in just need a lil help

**DanB** · 10-04-2012, 06:47 PM

so again you have heart problems yet think it is ok to use steroids ? give your head a shake, this is clearly disregarding health to simply avoid hard work

and reread my post, i added to it after you quoted it

you have been given good advise here, take or leave it, that is up to you, but with your diet, stats and health problems, nobody here will advise you on AAS

**Atomini** · 10-04-2012, 06:49 PM

Why do you post here asking questions when you are not listening to anyone at all?

If you are dead-set on what you are going to do, why the heck do you post here? Why don't you just go and do it? You seem to already know everything, right?

As far as what i've seen, you have shot down every single suggestion that has been laid out to you here... never mind additional suggestions outside of your main questions, but even suggestions and answers that pertained DIRECTLY to your question. You originally asked "But I wanted to ask you guys on advice while I'm on it what to take with it etc." and it has been suggested over and over again that you need to take testosterone with it. You don't listen, you shot down that answer. People have told you how to properly eat while you're on it, and you shot that down too with some lame excuse basically summed up as "i'm too busy to do that". Plenty of us are just as busy or MORE busy than you, yet we find the time to cook our meals, pack them in tupperware or whatever, and eat throughout the day to reach our goals whether it be fat loss or mass gaining.

You have left us with nothing to work with, and shot down every single answer to your questions. What exactly is your purpose here if you are the expert already and know EXACTLY what you are going to do? The very existance of this thread is pointless as a result.

**geo17** · 10-04-2012, 07:03 PM

Thank u guys I am going to reconsider taking car. U guys have given me great advice that I am going to take. And sorry if I came off as a know it all closed minded asshole I didn't mean to compared to u guys I know nothing lol thanks again guys! !

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by geo17

Thank u guys I am going to reconsider taking car. U guys have given me great advice that I am going to take. And sorry if I came off as a know it all closed minded asshole I didn't mean to compared to u guys I know nothing lol thanks again guys! !

Good job. Now go to your room!