Primo

**--->>405<<---** · 10-04-2012, 03:33 PM

just curious to what yall think about running primo with my TRT dose as is (160mg cyp per week) at 400mg per week to start and then increasing to possibly 600-800mg per week for a 12 week cutting cycle?

i still havent gotten E2 dialed in so im getting frequent blood work until thats done. from what im gathering primo doesnt show up as far as elevating my test levels? also theres no conversion so that would not be an issue.

any complications u could see me running into and do u think itd be effective for cutting bf% down and maintaining LBM or poss maybe even gaining some additional LBM?

anything im missing? i havent run any AAS cycles so this would be a first.

thx

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

just curious to what yall think about running primo with my TRT dose as is (160mg cyp per week) at 400mg per week to start and then increasing to possibly 600-800mg per week for a 12 week cutting cycle?

i still havent gotten E2 dialed in so im getting frequent blood work until thats done. from what im gathering primo doesnt show up as far as elevating my test levels? also theres no conversion so that would not be an issue.

any complications u could see me running into and do u think itd be effective for cutting bf% down and maintaining LBM or poss maybe even gaining some additional LBM?

anything im missing? i havent run any AAS cycles so this would be a first.

thx

Well, of course you know everyone reacts differently. I'll give you my experience. Doses in the 400mg range did nearly nothing for me. Now, 800mg, you're talking an awesome dose. Part 2 would be the length of the cycle. Primo really shows it's true colors and shines (again, for me) around week 14. I see changes in the mirror almost daily at that point. So I typically never run it less than 16 to 18 weeks @ 800mg +.

That being said, I probably would stay on the lower end of a good dose for a first cycle. 600mg is just fine, but I would certainly take it longer than 12 weeks.

As for running it on a TRT dose, I've never done that so I won't be able to provide any info. Blood work on primo showed Estrodial always just under 30. Test was always elevated because of my test dose. Always used adex @ .5 EOD . Rarely do I have to go to ED.

If I recall, you are trying to get to 6% ? Not sure where you are now, but for me, I need to be fairly lean to get the most out of it.

No sense talking to you about diet, I always refer to you in that department

**--->>405<<---** · 10-04-2012, 05:37 PM

austin thx for the response

for a while there i thought no one was gonna respond!

400 per week is to see how i react. then an increase from there. just wanted to get some more opinions on this to see what yall thought. would prob increase from 400 to 600mg and then from 600 to 800mg.

it being a first cycle so to speak i know everyone says run test only first cycle but i figd since i would not be increasing test dose it wouldnt matter so much. i havent really seen anything in the way of sides. basically only hair loss and possible mild acne.

the purpose of running it is to preserve LBm while cutting and ive read it can increase lipolysis. these are the main attractions. i just wanted some opinions on its effectiveness. if anyone had done this before without a cycle dose of test? i cant cycle test due to frequent blood work at this time but im looking for a boost in my ability to cut.

**austinite** · 10-04-2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

austin thx for the response

for a while there i thought no one was gonna respond!

400 per week is to see how i react. then an increase from there. just wanted to get some more opinions on this to see what yall thought. would prob increase from 400 to 600mg and then from 600 to 800mg.

it being a first cycle so to speak i know everyone says run test only first cycle but i figd since i would not be increasing test dose it wouldnt matter so much. i havent really seen anything in the way of sides. basically only hair loss and possible mild acne.

the purpose of running it is to preserve LBm while cutting and ive read it can increase lipolysis. these are the main attractions. i just wanted some opinions on its effectiveness. if anyone had done this before without a cycle dose of test? i cant cycle test due to frequent blood work at this time but im looking for a boost in my ability to cut.

you're absolutely right. I get the whole test only for a first cycle. But you're not changing your dose so there is nothing to look for as far as reaction to test.

Because I was more focused on the cost rather than it being a first cycle, I'll now say that starting at a lower dose (400mg) is just fine to see how you react.

Primo like any AAS is anti-catabolic and will spare muscle while dieting

I'd also like to hear from others who may have run primo with a low dose of test.

**ScotchGuard02** · 10-04-2012, 08:14 PM

I was on a fairly low dose of Primo on my last cycle about 400mg/wk. I didn't see results for a long time. All of a sudden, wham! I could see total definition in my abs. I like this Primo.

**--->>405<<---** · 10-04-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I was on a fairly low dose of Primo on my last cycle about 400mg/wk. I didn't see results for a long time. All of a sudden, wham! I could see total definition in my abs. I like this Primo.

good to hear thx man

so u would say it contributed to leaning u out.. thats what ive read about it. lipolysis due to strong binding of the androgen receptor.

**baseline_9** · 10-05-2012, 01:25 AM

The price tag is what puts me off.... I know you have never run AAS but presonally I'd opt to run NPP or a really low dose of tren ace....

Suppose it just depends if u can justify the cost of the primo..... From what I have heard u don't get much out of it unless u run it high and then the cost is a lot more....

**MuscleInk** · 10-05-2012, 02:30 AM

405.....

Primo is one of my favorite compounds. The highest I've run it was 600mg/wk and like Austinite, I started to see results between weeks 12-14. I ran it for 4 1/2 months before cycling off. That was my second cycle and I ran 800mg of test with it. Like you, I was after the LBM gains from the stack and I wasn't disappointed. Since then I've run it twice more and will probably keep it in my stacks. It is on the higher end of price but I like to keep gains as lean as possible and I haven't been disappointed yet.

I'd like to run it at 800-1000mg but haven't yet and I'm not sure if the gains beyond 600/wk would be marginal or better/faster. I haven't spoken to anyone who's run Primo at doses higher than 800/wk.

I didn't have any issues with E2.....until recently when I was running preloading doses of sust400 at 2400mg/wk.

**--->>405<<---** · 10-05-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

The price tag is what puts me off.... I know you have never run AAS but presonally I'd opt to run NPP or a really low dose of tren ace....

Suppose it just depends if u can justify the cost of the primo..... From what I have heard u don't get much out of it unless u run it high and then the cost is a lot more....

yeh i read and heard it was pricey. depending how pricey and how effective itd be will determine my decision. the prob with me running somehting else rite now is im getting frequent blood work trying to get my E2 strait. from what im gathering, and correct me if im wrong, Primo will not show elevated test levels on blood work nor will it contribute to E2 since its a DHT derived compound.?? this would make it perfect for my situation and prob the ONLY AAS i could run rite now.

NPP: i will have to see what this is ive never heard of it.

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

405.....

Primo is one of my favorite compounds. The highest I've run it was 600mg/wk and like Austinite, I started to see results between weeks 12-14. I ran it for 4 1/2 months before cycling off. That was my second cycle and I ran 800mg of test with it. Like you, I was after the LBM gains from the stack and I wasn't disappointed. Since then I've run it twice more and will probably keep it in my stacks. It is on the higher end of price but I like to keep gains as lean as possible and I haven't been disappointed yet.

I'd like to run it at 800-1000mg but haven't yet and I'm not sure if the gains beyond 600/wk would be marginal or better/faster. I haven't spoken to anyone who's run Primo at doses higher than 800/wk.

I didn't have any issues with E2.....until recently when I was running preloading doses of sust400 at 2400mg/wk.

so u think 600 would be a good top end dose in my case?

2400mg per week of sust??? did i read this right? wow dude thats monster!

**yannick35** · 10-05-2012, 01:29 PM

Primo is very expensive at least the one i can get, i rather go with low dose tren too, around 200mg per week a lot cheaper and tren is a bomb

**austinite** · 10-05-2012, 01:46 PM

Run it at 405mg ew. Ha!

**MuscleInk** · 10-05-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

yeh i read and heard it was pricey. depending how pricey and how effective itd be will determine my decision. the prob with me running somehting else rite now is im getting frequent blood work trying to get my E2 strait. from what im gathering, and correct me if im wrong, Primo will not show elevated test levels on blood work nor will it contribute to E2 since its a DHT derived compound.?? this would make it perfect for my situation and prob the ONLY AAS i could run rite now.

NPP: i will have to see what this is ive never heard of it.

so u think 600 would be a good top end dose in my case?

2400mg per week of sust??? did i read this right? wow dude thats monster!

I think 600 is ideal and anecdotally I've heard it's the sweet spot although I'm still curious about higher doses of primo.

Yes, sust400 at 2400mg/wk for preloading. It messed up my estradiol though so now I'm having to run Adex aggressively. My sust400 is at 1200mg/wk now as part of the original plan. I'm running 100mg of drol and 600mg of primo in my stack.

**wannabe_ninja** · 10-05-2012, 02:09 PM

Im running 600mgs of test E weekly and 800mgs of primo weekly. Im 4 weeks in and the test is kicking in just waiting to see how the primo runs

**MuscleInk** · 10-05-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by wannabe_ninja

Im running 600mgs of test E weekly and 800mgs of primo weekly. Im 4 weeks in and the test is kicking in just waiting to see how the primo runs

Send updates with outcomes!

**Gi812Many** · 10-05-2012, 02:27 PM

I just got done running Test, Primo and Masteron w/ Proviron . I have quit a bit of experience with Primo and im going to have to agree with Austinite...When I run Primo I never run anything less than 800mgs. I have ran as high as 1200mgs/weekly and can say it was amazing. It is expensive but I save it for one to two cycles through the year. I see the results from it roughly around week 7, never ran any longer than 12 weeks. With me running slingshot cycling I only go for 8 week blasts. This last go round I ran 12 weeks, the additional 4 weeks is important on Primo. I also upped my dosage of Test and dropped my Masteron at week 8.

**Glock17** · 10-05-2012, 02:32 PM

Ive run Primo up too 1.2g myself....If I could keep Primo as a cycle staple I would. Just can not afford to run it all the time. I agree with you Gi812many, 1.2g is unreal. I looked like solid marble and to me it seems to give my muscles a longer look? I agree with most above, I wouldnt take anything under 800mgs weekly if I was to take it. Also, becareful where you get it, most the Primo is bullshit out there. The good stuff you pay for it.

**Glock17** · 10-05-2012, 02:33 PM

Oh for your information, when that picture was taking I was running 1.2g of Primo...That was about 6 months ago

**--->>405<<---** · 10-05-2012, 02:42 PM

man.. lotta action!

appreciate it.

what do yall think about the test stayn at the TRT dose in conjunction with the primo? i get it from yall the primo is decent stuff when run in large enuff quantity for long enuff time. but is it gonna be effective with a small 160mg per week TRT dose of test? i dont wanna waste my money or time but i cant increase test dosage now like i said cuz of labs. thx..

**baseline_9** · 10-06-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

man.. lotta action!

appreciate it.

what do yall think about the test stayn at the TRT dose in conjunction with the primo? i get it from yall the primo is decent stuff when run in large enuff quantity for long enuff time. but is it gonna be effective with a small 160mg per week TRT dose of test? i dont wanna waste my money or time but i cant increase test dosage now like i said cuz of labs. thx..

If they are testing specifically for testosterone then only testosterone will increase your test count...

If they are searching for total androgens this may be increas by any AAS you take.....

This is my understanding, I'd like to hear from someone who has had the tests done tho....

**--->>405<<---** · 10-06-2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

If they are testing specifically for testosterone then only testosterone will increase your test count...

If they are searching for total androgens this may be increas by any AAS you take.....

This is my understanding, I'd like to hear from someone who has had the tests done tho....

now this is interesting! i suppose i made the assumption most, if not all AAS would show up in my testosterone values.

its with my TRT doc and they test for total test and free test. typical TRT blood work.

**baseline_9** · 10-06-2012, 08:54 AM

I'm pretty sure your going to have a better answer soon enough....

Is it a bird, is it a plane.... To be honest no one really knows... It's Mr Anonymous to the rescue....

I've PM'd Swifto for u lol

**binsser** · 10-06-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Well, of course you know everyone reacts differently. I'll give you my experience. Doses in the 400mg range did nearly nothing for me. Now, 800mg, you're talking an awesome dose. Part 2 would be the length of the cycle. Primo really shows it's true colors and shines (again, for me) around week 14. I see changes in the mirror almost daily at that point. So I typically never run it less than 16 to 18 weeks @ 800mg +.

That being said, I probably would stay on the lower end of a good dose for a first cycle. 600mg is just fine, but I would certainly take it longer than 12 weeks.

As for running it on a TRT dose, I've never done that so I won't be able to provide any info. Blood work on primo showed Estrodial always just under 30. Test was always elevated because of my test dose. Always used adex @ .5 EOD . Rarely do I have to go to ED.

If I recall, you are trying to get to 6% ? Not sure where you are now, but for me, I need to be fairly lean to get the most out of it.

No sense talking to you about diet, I always refer to you in that department

what??? u told me yesterday you wouldnt run primo longer than 12 as i said im going for 20 make your mind up bud 405 Im doing 1750mg primo with 400mg test prop on week 7 and all i can say is dont go heavy on your ai you dont need it mate the primo hold off alot of estro anyway and when i started taking my ai it was wiping me out shakes/weak etc etc so i stopped completely and im flying bud!

**austinite** · 10-06-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by binsser

what??? u told me yesterday you wouldnt run primo longer than 12 as i said im going for 20 make your mind up bud 405 Im doing 1750mg primo with 400mg test prop on week 7 and all i can say is dont go heavy on your ai you dont need it mate the primo hold off alot of estro anyway and when i started taking my ai it was wiping me out shakes/weak etc etc so i stopped completely and im flying bud!

Go back and read what I said and takke note that 405 is a TRT patient, not to mention, one of the best people Ive seen at doing their research.

**--->>405<<---** · 10-06-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

I'm pretty sure your going to have a better answer soon enough....

Is it a bird, is it a plane.... To be honest no one really knows... It's Mr Anonymous to the rescue....

I've PM'd Swifto for u lol

thx man

appreciate it!

**binsser** · 10-06-2012, 12:07 PM

405 looking good bud u wont be sorry u started primo week six is where i started feeling fuller and pumped had no sides yet at all no acne etc etc ill let u know how im getting on in week 10 mate!

**--->>405<<---** · 10-06-2012, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by binsser

405 looking good bud u wont be sorry u started primo week six is where i started feeling fuller and pumped had no sides yet at all no acne etc etc ill let u know how im getting on in week 10 mate!

thx man. good to know. and i wont be running anything like 1750mg per week!

**binsser** · 10-06-2012, 12:21 PM

ha ha ha cost about 4000 tokens though in ur money ha ha ha

**--->>405<<---** · 10-06-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by binsser

ha ha ha cost about 4000 tokens though in ur money ha ha ha

so ive heard its expensive

**t-dogg** · 10-06-2012, 01:04 PM

Does primo cut fat like other cutters?

**binsser** · 10-06-2012, 01:11 PM

no not really a fat cutter but a fat preventer so you dont put on that much if your diet isnt 100 percent bud so if your not putting alot on and your training taking alot off with good diet i spose same as cutting fat bud!

**t-dogg** · 10-06-2012, 01:15 PM

Lol alittle confused. Ive never used primo.

**binsser** · 10-06-2012, 01:21 PM

well its said ...its hard to put on fat while on primo cycle as it stops you if you say binged while on cycle you wont put on a ton of weight so it stops easy fat accumilation but i do it with prop which is a good cutter so it easy to get rid of what you had or have i binged for 3 weeks while keeping my proteins high as a test for myself and my body and i mean i ate everything constanly and i put on no fat strange ??? lolol but spose its hear and there the same as what your asking ha ha ha

**t-dogg** · 10-06-2012, 01:27 PM

And its best run 14-20wks. At 400-800mgs correct?

**--->>405<<---** · 10-06-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Does primo cut fat like other cutters?

from what ive read it can contribute to lipolysis. how much i dont know. maybe i will get a chance to find out here before too long.

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2012, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

I just got done running Test, Primo and Masteron w/ Proviron. I have quit a bit of experience with Primo and im going to have to agree with Austinite...When I run Primo I never run anything less than 800mgs. I have ran as high as 1200mgs/weekly and can say it was amazing. It is expensive but I save it for one to two cycles through the year. I see the results from it roughly around week 7, never ran any longer than 12 weeks. With me running slingshot cycling I only go for 8 week blasts. This last go round I ran 12 weeks, the additional 4 weeks is important on Primo. I also upped my dosage of Test and dropped my Masteron at week 8.

WOW!!! 1200mg/wk of primo. That's awesome. I might have to give that a try in the distant future after I cycle and PCT for a while. Still one of my favorite compounds.

**Phased** · 10-06-2012, 04:59 PM

Well after all of this 405 you should have a pretty big smile on your face by now after reading all this. Sounds like this is gonna be your golden ticket. Hope it works well for you. I start 600mg EW next Monday.

**Gi812Many** · 10-06-2012, 06:05 PM

MuscleInk.....I know everyone talks about the sweet spot being 800mgs/weekly. Im telling you 1200mgs/weekly is incredible.

**austinite** · 10-06-2012, 06:10 PM

^ I think you can get up there after running it at least once at 800. I've ran it twice and my max is right now @ 1050. One day I might take it to 1200 but I have a feeling my 1050 will suffice. Really anything over 800 is awesome.