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    First Cycle?

    Ok, as usual another 1st timer question - what would be a good first cycle to see how my body responds? I'm 31, 5 foot 10 inches, 228 pounds, 25% body fat. I have been working out on and off for about 15 years. A few years back I had some tests done and it was concluded that I'm NATURALLY low on testosterone so my gains from heavy lifts and proper dieting are never great. I'd love to gain mass and burn about 12 to 15 percent body fat. If someone could point me in the right direction as to what exactly I should try..... it would greatly help. And YES, I'm for sure about taking steroids!

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    Hi. Welcome.

    Body fat is too high. Cycling now could bring on more sides than benefit. Fix your diet and heavy up on cardio until you get in the mid-teens. Then you can consider. Check out the nutrition section, they can help you with your diet.

    Best of luck to you.

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    Agreed. Get your bf in check first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIJOE2664 View Post
    Ok, as usual another 1st timer question - what would be a good first cycle to see how my body responds? I'm 31, 5 foot 10 inches, 228 pounds, 25% body fat. I have been working out on and off for about 15 years. A few years back I had some tests done and it was concluded that I'm NATURALLY low on testosterone so my gains from heavy lifts and proper dieting are never great. I'd love to gain mass and burn about 12 to 15 percent body fat. If someone could point me in the right direction as to what exactly I should try and maybe a good source of where to buy it would greatly help. And YES, I'm for sure about taking steroids!

    Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you! ~ GIJOE ~
    If your asking about where to get AAS, don't. This is not a source board. If thats the case please edit your post.

    As for your other questions, the bf is definitely high. Put in some time and hard work and you will start to see results. Have you looked in to your TDEE to see how many calories you should be taking in to drop weight and bf%?

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    ^ good catch, Z. OP like mentioned above, read the rules and edit your post.

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    Thanks for the replies everyone. I see guys all the time (with way more fat than I have) on them and seem to lose the fat and have huge gains. I have decided to continue with my same path and work my butt off and also diet. I do stick to a strict diet and do 6 hours of cardio weekly. The issue is the fat does not seem to be dropping. Could this be a result of having naturally low testosterone? Is there something else that can be recommended to speed up the process?

    I currently spend 2 hours in gym, 6 days a week. I do 1 hour of heavy weight lifting and 45 min to an hour of cardio. I also am eating 6 small meals a day and taking in aprox 180 grams of protein through normal foods and protein powder. I'm also using a PRE workout supplement and another supplement to assist with the acids while I workout. Followed by a 60 gram protein shake 15 to 30 min after I leave the gym.

    Im getting discouraged. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    P.S.... First post edited.

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    I'm thinking of starting with GW501516. It's relatively "new" and not too many have taken. You can find it on the internet. It is being touted as "exercise in a pill" and is used for reductions in body fat, amongst other things. One member on the board has been keeping a detailed log, although it is a little confusing, as he is taking other things, and the results are mixed in with the GW. Either way, something to think about...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW_501516

    GW-501516 (also known as GW-501,516, GW1516 or GSK-516) is a PPARδ modulator compound being investigated for drug use by GlaxoSmithKline.[1][2] It activates the same pathways activated through exercise, including PPARδ and AMP-activated protein kinase. It is being investigated as a potential treatment for obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease.[3][4] GW-501516 has a synergistic effect when combined with AICAR: the combination has been shown to significantly increase exercise endurance in animal studies more than either compound alone. [5][6]

    GW-50156 regulates fat burning through a number of widespread mechanisms;[7] it increases glucose uptake in skeletal muscle tissue and increases muscle gene expression, especially genes involved in preferential lipid utilization.[8][9][10] This shift changes the body's metabolism to favor burning fat for energy instead of carbohydrates or muscle protein, potentially allowing clinical application for obese patients to lose fat effectively without experiencing muscle catabolism or the effects and satiety issues associated with low blood sugar.[11] GW-501516 also increases muscle mass, which improved glucose tolerance and reduced fat mass accumulation even in mice fed a very high fat diet, suggesting that GW-501516 may have a protective effect against obesity [12]

    It has been demonstrated at oral doses of 10 mg a day to reverse metabolic abnormalities in obese men with pre-diabetic metabolic syndrome, most likely by stimulating fatty acid oxidation.[13] Treatments with GW-501516 have been shown to increase HDL cholesterol by up to 79% in rhesus monkeys and the compound is now undergoing Phase II trials to improve HDL cholesterol in humans.[14]

    Concerns were raised prior to the 2008 Beijing Olympics that GW-501516 could be used by athletes as a performance enhancing drug which was not currently controlled by regulations or detected by standard tests. One of the main researchers from the study on enhanced endurance consequently developed a urine test to detect the drug, and made it available to the International Olympic Committee.[15] The World Anti-Doping Agency has also begun work on a test for GW-501516 and other related PPARδ modulators,[16] and they have been added to the prohibited list from 2009 onwards.[17] The compound has yet to be named a controlled or prohibited substance by any nation's drug enforcement or regulation agency. To date, no athlete is known to have tested positive for the substance, though the increase in endurance, muscle fiber performance, fat loss and metabolism suggests GW-501516 has the potential for ergogenic use and abuse.

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