Test prop help

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 06:32 PM

Hey every so I'm about to start my first cycle ... For so long I was going to do a var only cycle then I realized its not worth it if I don't run a cycle with test.

So anyway I'm 24 6'4 95kgs (210) pounds)
My cycle is alittle different to a lot as I will be using my cycle for mma.
I want to get stronger and stuff but not gain a huge amount of weight and size so that I get slow and sluggish.

I live in Thailand and train 8 hours a day 6 days a week.
I do 2 hours mma sparring in the morning with hard cardio then weights then another 2 hours muay Thai ad boxing then I usually do jujitsu at nights I go running twice a week 5km up super steep hills .
My diet is spot on except Sundays when I don't train I usually just have a hamburger or something maybe.

So basically here is my cycle.
I was looking to run 1.4ml test prop eod
For around 7 to 9 weeks.
I was wondering if 1.4 is a good dosage or should I just run 1ml or is that not enough?
Also I was going to run between 20 to 50mg of var Ed for first 4 weeks but I just want to get pumps and kill my cardio on it as I have a fight in 3 n half weeks n I'll be starting my cycle in next few days.
I think that's pretty much everything I will be running pct a stuff just wanted to no about the prop n will it slow me down to much.
Any help will be much much appreciated.
Cheers heaps.

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 06:35 PM

There is is also afew boys training here that run winny but from what I've heard the joit pain is hell.
I just thought running an oral was good because it will stop me getting so bloated and I am
Really not keen for huge amounts of water weight I don't really wana go up much weight coz I'll have to fight heavier.
So just test prop will be fine with aromasin arimidex or proviron ??
I just need the best for me to keep my cardio n stuff.
I will run standard pct nolva clomid....the shop next to my hotel sells legit roids over the counter so can get absolutely anything I want at cheap price do anything to help me would be great.
Also I was thinking of running clen for 2 weeks towards the end of my cycle just so I get really cut up at the end.
I'm not sure of body fat as I've never had a proper test an people always say such differnt stuff I can see my abbs but there not like out rageiouslu defined.
I train huge hours so I eat a lot of rice and stuff to keep my body fueled so I dont loose muscle.
Anyway thanks again guys.
Ad I Jst thought 1.4ml mg eod or 1mlmg would be good coz I heard if u go at 2ml it bloats u up a lot more ?

**austinite** · 10-07-2012, 06:36 PM

How many milligrams is that 1.4 ML?

20mg of var is worthless. Might as well drink a redbull, it's more effective.

I dont see an AI or HCG anywhere...

What is your PCT protocol look like?

**stpete** · 10-07-2012, 06:39 PM

We have no idea cause you never told us the mg to ml ratio. And that var dose is weak. you might need to get back to the drawing board.

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 06:43 PM

100 mg/ml for test prop
I can up the var ratio I just was worried about pumps cheers for the advice if it's pointless at that amount I can always flag I or just up the dose.

**austinite** · 10-07-2012, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by lukie_88

100 mg/ml for test prop
I can up the var ratio I just was worried about pumps cheers for the advice if it's pointless at that amount I can always flag I or just up the dose.

If you're worried about var hindering cardio, dont run it.

Still need an AI and PCT protocol...

Probably need to do a lot more research at this point before you start this cycle. Check out all the educational threads we have. Very useful info there.

**Times Roman** · 10-07-2012, 06:48 PM

all your doses are too high. if you are getting your test P amps from the same area I was, then it's 250mg/ml. but since you are running 1.4ml eod, I doubt you are using 1ml amps. wouldn't make any sense to use 0.4 of your second amp. so you are using vials. in which case, if 200mg/ml, then you are using 1 gram of test a week. too much if you don't want to get "big and sluggish".

the low dose var seems mildly interesting. at that dose, you probably won't get the muscle pumps and the reduced cardio effect. You won't be seeing any real gains besides maybe a slight increase, not sure. but if you are from thailand, then i'm assuming your weight is around 120? or about half of mine. so that would be the equivalent of about 40mg for me. yeah, you may see some mild gains from it.

so based on your size, i'd suggest dropping your test p to about 350mg/week, keep the var at 20mg/week, and see how it goes.

Good luck!
---Roman

**DanB** · 10-07-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by lukie_88

100 mg/ml for test prop
I can up the var ratio I just was worried about pumps cheers for the advice if it's pointless at that amount I can always flag I or just up the dose.

I use higher doses of var, but cannot spar/bag/pad work due to pumps, something to consider

Look into ephedrine aswell

Use an a.i or else there is a very real chance that the water you hold will prevent you from making weight, i assume its at 205 yeah

**austinite** · 10-07-2012, 06:52 PM

TR... ^ He is 210 lbs.

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 06:56 PM

Sorry my cycle sucks ive been researching for ages and I always get abit side tracked re search lots of different stuff an not so much test var.
I no how important a pct is and I will deff be running it.
I'm from new Zealand but I live and train and fight in Thailand.
Thanks again so much for the help I guess I'll just skip te var.
I'll go over and check the test prop out now I was pretty sure they were 100/mg ml so I would run 1.4 eod making it around 500mg a week...
I plan to run around 500mg a week or less does that sound ohkay and not bloat up?

**DanB** · 10-07-2012, 06:59 PM

Use your a.i such as armidex or aromasin and combined with your good diet and intense training then bloat should be minimal

Dont use an a.i and you could blown up like the michellin man lol

Look into ephedrine like i mentioned earlier, gives me a good kick and notice good improvement in endurance

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 07:01 PM

I use to cut down for fight and
Fight super light cut as much weight as poss the days prior to way in but now I fight at around 205 92kgs.
Cheers for that on the var is good to no and I don't think it's worth the risk for me I might just scrap it all together.

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 07:03 PM

What would you suggest out of the two for an ai I tried researching them both a while back and I also had guys i fight with say proviron was good to?
I try not to leisten to them much as I swear the stuff they say About juice is mostly wrong.

**DanB** · 10-07-2012, 07:17 PM

Fvck proviron , it may help a little but i highly doubt it will keep estrogen in normal ranges

I use adex, on paper aromasin is better, but in real world........

Just use whatever is cheaper i.m.o

**austinite** · 10-07-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

Fvck proviron , it may help a little but i highly doubt it will keep estrogen in normal ranges

I use adex, on paper aromasin is better, but in real world........

Just use whatever is cheaper i.m.o

agree. I prefer adex.

**lukie_88** · 10-07-2012, 07:24 PM

Ohkay cool cheers heaps.
It's Thailand so basically everything is dirt dirt cheap ill run adex I'll go over in an hour or so and check it all out.
Do I run .5mg ed with adex?
Sorry just thought I remembered seeing that number awhile back when I searched it.

**austinite** · 10-07-2012, 07:24 PM

0.25 eod

**DanB** · 10-07-2012, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

0.25 eod

I agree

**warmouth** · 10-07-2012, 08:46 PM

Iwould also get some BW done before and after, heck, even during if you can. Make sure your lipid values dont get out of hand. I only say this because I am having trouble with mine. And I think you will be doing yourself a favor by getting it checked, and not just for lipids, but a whole host of things. Just in order to see all of your stats. That is, if you can. Just want you to be as safe as you possible can. Good luck!