Crazy PIP in quads!

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 08:16 PM

ahhh! I pinned my left quad last thursday and the pain is just about healed now. I pinned my right quad on monday and the pain is once again crazy! it feels as if i got charlie horses big time by a mma fighter lol.

Should I continue pinning quads if i feel a large amount of pip?

Currently i am trying to rotate between delts, quads, and glutes, repeat. thanks.

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:18 PM

How slow are you pinning, are you heating the oil, are you massaging the area before and after for at least 3-5 minutes and are you using fresh needles?
Also I like to only pin .5ml per site. So if its 1ml/100mg, split the dose into two muscle groups. Have you thought about subq vs IM?

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**boxa06** · 10-10-2012, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

ahhh! I pinned my left quad last thursday and the pain is just about healed now. I pinned my right quad on monday and the pain is once again crazy! it feels as if i got charlie horses big time by a mma fighter lol.

Should I continue pinning quads if i feel a large amount of pip?

Currently i am trying to rotate between delts, quads, and glutes, repeat. thanks.

What are you pinning?

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

What are you pinning?

Sounds like prop.

**MuscleInk** · 10-10-2012, 08:20 PM

WHAT and HOW MUCH are you injecting.

Any lumps or hardness in the PI site?

**boxa06** · 10-10-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Sounds like prop.

Or Winny... Or Both!

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 08:23 PM

I am pinning 1cc of test cyp. fresh needle. i dont heat the bottle. i only massage after the injection for around 20 seconds. :S

**MuscleInk** · 10-10-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

I am pinning 1cc of test cyp. fresh needle. i dont heat the bottle. i only massage after the injection for around 20 seconds. :S

Try a heating pad and light massage. Let us know if the tissue hardens or turns red/warm in the next 48hrs

**boxa06** · 10-10-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

I am pinning 1cc of test cyp. fresh needle. i dont heat the bottle. i only massage after the injection for around 20 seconds. :S

You shouldn't get any pain from cyp.. 250 strength per ml? Maybe you're pinning the wrong part of the quad.

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

I am pinning 1cc of test cyp. fresh needle. i dont heat the bottle. i only massage after the injection for around 20 seconds. :S

Wow I pin cyp with no pain, hope you got the right stuff.
Heat the oil for 4-5 minutes
Massage the area before for 1-2minutes
Inject slow I do about 1 minute per .5ml
Rub, rub, rub after you pin. Also rub a few times thought the day, not just after pinning.
Put a heat pack or pad on it after
Rotate sites, use clean needles everytime and swab the tops of the bottles with alch prep pads.

**kmms** · 10-10-2012, 08:27 PM

i don't heat or warm my ampules nor do i ever massage for more than a few seconds before and after and i don't ever have any pain in my quads. everyone is different man, you have a lot of choices at your disposal.

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by kmms

i don't heat or warm my ampules nor do i ever massage for more than a few seconds before and after and i don't ever have any pain in my quads. everyone is different man, you have a lot of choices at your disposal.

Consider yourself blessed. Pip is horrible.
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**MuscleInk** · 10-10-2012, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by kmms

i don't heat or warm my ampules nor do i ever massage for more than a few seconds before and after and i don't ever have any pain in my quads. everyone is different man, you have a lot of choices at your disposal.

I only massage if a lump forms within 48-72 hrs. Had a nasty one in my glute Sunday night. Had my wife massage it for 20 minutes and rub tiger balm on it. Hurt like bloody hell while she massaged it but next day the lump was gonzo!!!

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 08:32 PM

I will try all of the above tactics for tomorrows pin. I will be pinning glutes. I heard that pip can be due to virgin muscle?

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:33 PM

Guys lets stay on pont here

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

I will try all of the above tactics for tomorrows pin. I will be pinning glutes. I heard that pip can be due to virgin muscle?

First cycle?

**MuscleInk** · 10-10-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Guys lets stay on pont here

I thought we were on point! I was serious about the glute bump. Sorry if it came across slutty. Lol

The comment was intended to be sincere!

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 08:37 PM

Yes this is my first cycle. tomorrow will be the begining of my 3rd week. so far i have pinned right delt, left delt, left quad, right quad. tomorrow I will go right glute, although i think I should just do delt again because i don't know if my partner is going to want to pin my glute.

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I thought we were on point! I was serious about the glute bump. Sorry if it came across slutty. Lol

The comment was intended to be sincere!

He's in pain, lets get him out of that. That's the priority
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**kmms** · 10-10-2012, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Consider yourself blessed. Pip is horrible.
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i've been getting weekly injections for the better part of 30 years now. the only time i ever had any significant pain was when i allowed a dr to give me a vaccination in my delt before traveling. if i ever need another injection and they won't let me self inject, i've learned to choose the nurse rather than a dr.

**Live for the PUMP** · 10-10-2012, 08:39 PM

I pinned Quads once and will avoid pinning them ever again at all costs. Switch to glutes is my .02

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

Yes this is my first cycle. tomorrow will be the begining of my 3rd week. so far i have pinned right delt, left delt, left quad, right quad. tomorrow I will go right glute, although i think I should just do delt again because i don't know if my partner is going to want to pin my glute.

Have you thought or heard of subq injection, no pain...
Top thread in the HRT forum, go check it out
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...)#.UHYxS2t5mK0

**MuscleInk** · 10-10-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

He's in pain, lets get him out of that. That's the priority
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Yes. That's WAS my point Phased. Heat and massage. That's what I was recommending. It does help provided if its just PIP and not an infection - which I don't suspect at this point, I meant nothing more by the comment I made.

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:43 PM

Ok ok!

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 08:45 PM

I just read that thread about subq, but i don't think i understand what IM or SubQ is.

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

I just read that thread about subq, but i don't think i understand what IM or SubQ is.

Intramuscular injection meaning into the muscle
Subq subcutaneous injection into the fat.

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 08:51 PM

Oh i see, Well I have been doing this cycle with my best friend, and we pin each other. We have been checking on spotinjections.com and we try to pin into the muscle. What would you recommend? pin to the muscle or fat. Also is it distributed the same?

**Phased** · 10-10-2012, 08:56 PM

Read the study on the link I posted, I like subq much better no pain. No spike in e2 the way IM does. Slower release. Talk to Kel Kel as well in HRT or post in that thread.

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**austinite** · 10-10-2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Have you thought or heard of subq injection, no pain...
Top thread in the HRT forum, go check it out
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...)#.UHYxS2t5mK0

Love that post.

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 10-10-2012, 09:01 PM

Thanks for the help. I will look into it. Quick quesiton though. If i decide to pin half a cc at a time in different spots, do I have to change the needle once again? or is the same needle g2g? I will obviously change needle after drawing though. Thanks.

**diabolicsoul** · 10-10-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheBodyBuilder

Thanks for the help. I will look into it. Quick quesiton though. If i decide to pin half a cc at a time in different spots, do I have to change the needle once again? or is the same needle g2g? I will obviously change needle after drawing though. Thanks.

Yeah you should change the needle, unless you like using a dull one.

**gymfu** · 10-10-2012, 10:26 PM

Virgin muscle, if you keep at it it will get better. Quads are not a recommendation for newbies, glutes are always going to be the least painfull.

**Sworder** · 10-10-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by diabolicsoul

Yeah you should change the needle, unless you like using a dull one.

You won't find that the dermis dulls the needle very much. It is very common for people to use the same needle if hitting multiple spots. I wouldn't recommend, it but it's not an issue in terms of dulling the pin.

**kmms** · 10-10-2012, 11:01 PM

if you do use the same needle for more than one spot on your body you really should consider using an alcohol swab to disinfect it between each location. still not recommended as a regular practice.

**Sworder** · 10-10-2012, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by kmms

if you do use the same needle for more than one spot on your body you really should consider using an alcohol swab to disinfect it between each location. still not recommended as a regular practice.

Definitely, you wouldn't want to infect yourself with.... yourself...

**kmms** · 10-10-2012, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sworder

Definitely, you wouldn't want to infect yourself with.... yourself...

lol i understand what you are saying but we never see what gets on a needle we are using. you really never can be too careful when it comes to making new holes in your skin.

**dhriscerr** · 10-10-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sworder

You won't find that the dermis dulls the needle very much. It is very common for people to use the same needle if hitting multiple spots. I wouldn't recommend, it but it's not an issue in terms of dulling the pin.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Rh7RY

**Sworder** · 10-10-2012, 11:16 PM

I always preach safe injection practices as well! Just trying to be realistic though

**Sworder** · 10-10-2012, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by dhriscerr

http://imgur.com/gallery/Rh7RY

How many times have you injected with a pin that has been used once before and a fresh pin? Can you tell the difference? No sir, you can not.

**dhriscerr** · 10-10-2012, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sworder

How many times have you injected with a pin that has been used once before and a fresh pin? Can you tell the difference? No sir, you can not.

I havent ever done it....i have never even used a needle after going through a stopper....except slin pins. Im not disagreeing and like you said u do preach safe injecting habits just showing you what you cant always see or feel. For pennies you can get new needles i just wont take the chance.