Var or winny as enderr?

[Mikehr]

Hey guys running a test e (250mg) and tren e(500mg) cycle with A dbol and proviron kick for 4 weeks and am gonna run a hardening agent for the last 2 weeks of the test and the 2 weeks following while the test is leaving my system. Would var or winny be better to harden up some gains at the end of the cycle ?

[MickeyKnox]

welcome Mike,

what are your stats bro?

[warmouth]

welcome Mike,

what are your stats bro?

Why?

[MickeyKnox]

he's looking to run a laundry list. i wanted to know his stats, they'll determine my course of action/advice.

[Phased]

I would run the kickstart with the dbol and the proviron on the back end for hardening, no need to run two orals in one cycle.
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[MickeyKnox]

Mike is this your first cycle? how old are you?

[MickeyKnox]

I would run the kickstart with the dbol and the proviron on the back end for hardening, no need to run two orals in one cycle.
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would you recommend "kickstart with the dbol and the proviron on the back end for hardeningthis" while running a test e (250mg) and tren e(500mg) to an 18year old as his first cycle? this is his first post. he's 23 btw. im the only one who checked his profile as of this posting. just curious..

[Phased]

if he was 18 I would tell him the dangers of using steroids at that young of an age and hopefully they will listen, if not there's nothing much I can do to stop them. I didn't see the tren part till just now, I would stay away from all of this sounds like a bad idea the more I think about it. Op listen to Mickey.
Thanks
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[Sworder]

Winny > Proviron IMO

[MickeyKnox]

if he was 18 I would tell him the dangers of using steroids at that young of an age and hopefully they will listen, if not there's nothing much I can do to stop them. I didn't see the tren part till just now, I would stay away from all of this sounds like a bad idea the more I think about it. Op listen to Mickey.
Thanks
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right. but you didn't know that when you posted your advice. you see bro, nobody is perfect. but i won't attempt to chastise you because im respectful, particularity to those who have been bumped, i believe they've earned it. are we on the same page now? cheers

[Phased]

Thank you,
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[Mikehr]

Hey guys!

Thanks for the quick replys and sorry for the late response new phones given me problems!! But I'm 23 5'11 170lbs 7 percent body fat measured 2 days ago just finished a cut a week ago.

[stpete]

New info...You should visit the Nutrition Section to get your diet critiqued. It all starts there and without it you're pretty much done anyway.

[Mikehr]

New info...You should visit the Nutrition Section to get your diet critiqued. It all starts there and without it you're pretty much done anyway.

Ok will do man i will do that

[Mikehr]

I would run the kickstart with the dbol and the proviron on the back end for hardening, no need to run two orals in one cycle.
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The reason im running them together is to keep bloat down while on Dbol and test which cause me to bloat a lot!

[P.Money]

I would run the kickstart with the dbol and the proviron on the back end for hardening, no need to run two orals in one cycle.
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Agreed, two orals with no break in between is ridiculous. Why would you run dbol, which promotes water retention and then go for hardening towards the end? Are you trying to cut or bulk here.

[Mikehr]

Agreed, two orals with no break in between is ridiculous. Why would you run dbol, which promotes water retention and then go for hardening towards the end? Are you trying to cut or bulk here.

By running dbol and proviron at the beginning together I can still get the gains from the dbol but less watery garbage gains, and cycle is as follows:

1-4: Dbol and Proviron 50 mg each
1-8 Tren e 500mg a week
1-10 Test E 250 mg a week
8-12 Winstrol 75mgs perday
12-16 PCT clomid, activate extreme, cortisol blocker
Arimadex 1-12 1mg eod (high dose but im a bit sensitive to water retention so this works well for me)
1-8 caber 0.5mgs EOD

[Phased]

With respect, Your a bit young, is there anyway we can get you to wait 3-5 more years? That's some heavy stuff and the cycle is a mess.

[Mikehr]

With respect, Your a bit young, is there anyway we can get you to wait 3-5 more years? That's some heavy stuff and the cycle is a mess.

Fair enough and thanks for the advice but we both know that I'm most likely gonna do it regardless this is my third cycle first was just test e with tbol kick, second was test prop with tren ace and winstrol ran throughout. But i would like some opinions on how to make it less of a mess?

[P.Money]

I agree with Phased, you're rather young for a third cycle? Who's supervising all this.

You're trying to squeeze 3 orals in a 12 week cycle with only a 4 week break. Why not just run one oral right thru to get some solid gains?

I'd do:
1-8 Tren A @ 75mg/EOD
1-12 Test E @ 250mg/E3D
1-12 Anavar @ 50mg/ED

Prami @ 0.3mg/ED
Arimidex @ 0.25mg/EOD

PCT:
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50
LiverCare 52 x1 ED

[Phased]

Solid cycle don't forget the HCG! Keep him heathy down there, he is going to need it.

[P.Money]

I suppose you could throw in HCG @ 500IU/Week for 4 weeks followed by HMG @ 50IU/E3D for 3 weeks.

[P.Money]

Oh an you could also probably shoot the tren at like 100mg/E3D instead so you don't have a messed up pinning cycle.

[Mikehr]

Ok thanks I already have the caber though and from what I've read here and a couple other forums its fine to use correct? The Pct is the same as mine and yeah but I really like the strength and gains from the dbol kick and you can't run dbol for 12 week if you like having a functioning liver. Any reason why such low dose of arimidex I was under the impression that with both tren and test in the mix (plus dbol) you'd want at least 0.5mg eod

[Mikehr]

Oh and I forgot to add I have hcgenerate ill be running the whole cycle at 8 caps a day.

[Phased]

Did you read Atomini thread at the top about tren. I think its worth a look before you cycle it.
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[Mikehr]

Like the profile of it? And I've run it before just the short ester