Dbol & Test E vs Front Load Test E

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 06:47 PM

Hey guys I've got some Dbol possibly coming in for my next cycle and last cycle I front loaded so it made me think what if the preferred method? These would be the 2 options I am personally deciding upon but would love to hear what you guys think.

weeks 1-4 Dbol 20-40mg per day (yet to decide)
weeks 1-12 Test E 600mgs per week

or

week 1 Test E 1200mgs
weeks 2-12 600 Test E per week

Thoughts?

**kmms** · 10-12-2012, 06:48 PM

i think you're going to get a much faster response out of the dbol than test e

**Sworder** · 10-12-2012, 06:49 PM

Some prefer dianabol . I don't like the short half life of it. I feel testosterone is a stronger compound, if you do go with dbol 40mg should be enough. I like dbol for pre-workout. Gets me fired up!

**Phased** · 10-12-2012, 06:55 PM

Dbol test for sure, I hate front loading test. I've never seen strength gains from front loading test, however with dbol kickstart it's amazing and strength and size comes quickly.
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**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 07:07 PM

Seems that Dbol is favored over the front load so far.

Thanks for the comments guys!

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 07:49 PM

i like a front load,

I also like orals, but i hate dbol and drol, it destroys me with acne if i simply look at a tab lol, but i do like an oral kickstart such as, well anything really of the more ''clean'' orals as i call them, winny, var, tbol

before i vote, have you frontloaded or used dbol before, and if so, what is your opinion on it?

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

i like a front load, i hate dbol , it destroys me with acne if i simply look at a tab lol, but i do like an oral kickstart such as, well anything really of the more ''clean'' orals as i call them, winny, var, tbol

before i vote, have you frontloaded or used dbol before, and if so, what is your opinion on it?

Never used dbol before and did a half front load (doubled first shot only) my last cycle and felt it worked. Never liked the idea of orals because of the liver damage but wonna see my cycle kick in faster so decided to order some at the last minute.

**Live for the PUMP** · 10-12-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

Hey guys I've got some Dbol possibly coming in for my next cycle and last cycle I front loaded so it made me think what if the preferred method? These would be the 2 options I am personally deciding upon but would love to hear what you guys think.

weeks 1-4 Dbol 20-40mg per day (yet to decide)
weeks 1-12 Test E 600mgs per week

or

week 1 Test E 1200mgs
weeks 2-12 600 Test E per week

Thoughts?

I like the DBOl approach

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

Never used dbol before and did a half front load (doubled first shot only) my last cycle and felt it worked. Never liked the idea of orals because of the liver damage but wonna see my cycle kick in faster so decided to order some at the last minute.

well it isnt my favourate configuration, but i regularly see members and staff here (who have prob forgotten more then i know and lifting longer then im alive in some cases) recommend it and speak of a dbol kickstart pretty highly

in fact phased posted about it in the last day or two and i have seen pics on another forum, the man is a beast, if he talks then i listen, it just a pity that they cause me to break out with acne or because i would love to run a large dose of dbol or drol and see the strenght for myself that people love so much

anyways enough of my rambling, my vote is in, dbol

**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:05 PM

When you front load its only for a week right? And you double the dose that you are running for your cycle correct?

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

well it isnt my favourate configuration, but i regularly see members and staff here (who have prob forgotten more then i know and lifting longer then im alive in some cases) recommend it and speak of a dbol kickstart pretty highly

in fact phased posted about it in the last day or two and i have seen pics on another forum, the man is a beast, if he talks then i listen, it just a pity that they cause me to break out with acne or because i would love to run a large dose of dbol or drol and see the strenght for myself that people love so much

anyways enough of my rambling, my vote is in, dbol

Did you dose it throughout the day? 4 doses or so? With the half life only being 4.5-6 hours I could see how your blood levels would go crazy and cause acne. Hmmm I wonder how it will effect me, only one way to find out I guess.

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

When you front load its only for a week right? And you double the dose that you are running for your cycle correct?

That is the most common method of front loading although the time I did it I only doubled the first shot instead of the first 2 (if doing 2 shots per week).

**Phased** · 10-12-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

When you front load its only for a week right? And you double the dose that you are running for your cycle correct?

A typical front load with a long and short ester like Prop and Cyp is 500mg EW on both for weeks 1-4, then you drop the shorter ester end of week 4 and continue with the longer at 500mg or chosen dosage for the rest of the cycle.
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**kmms** · 10-12-2012, 08:09 PM

i split the dbol into several doses throughout the day and had literally zero acne, and full blood work done at the end of the 4th wk (dbol 25mg and test e 500) showed no negative impact on my liver. does this mean it will be the same for everyone, no of course not. just relaying my experience.

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by kmms

i split the dbol into several doses throughout the day and had literally zero acne, and full blood work done at the end of the 4th wk (dbol 25mg and test e 500) showed no negative impact on my liver. does this mean it will be the same for everyone, no of course not. just relaying my experience.

So did you do 5 doses of 5mg? Was 25mg a high enough dose do you think? Only asking to give me an idea of how high I should dose it.

**kmms** · 10-12-2012, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

So did you do 5 doses of 5mg? Was 25mg a high enough dose do you think? Only asking to give me an idea of how high I should dose it.

yes originally i split my 10mg pills in half and dosed 5mg X 5, basically one with each meal so it was easy to remember. due to some work related travel though during that cycle i ended up taking 10mg pills 3 X p.d. and noticed a difference in both my gym performance and blood pressure. in the future i will absolutely use dbol again and will most likely use it at 10mg 3 x p.d. that seems to be my sweet spot because while my blood pressure wasn't excessive by any means, as a 20+ year athlete i felt it was at my comfortable limit. hope this helps.

**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

A typical front load with a long and short ester like Prop and Cyp is 500mg EW on both for weeks 1-4, then you drop the shorter ester end of week 4 and continue with the longer at 500mg or chosen dosage for the rest of the cycle.
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How much does this help?

**Phased** · 10-12-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

How much does this help?

I hate it.. The problem with that imo is it can overload your receptors. And then cause blood stability issues. I think an oral kick is the preferred meathod. I have tried two kick starts with Prop and did not like either. It shuts you down immediatly. Dbol is amazing at what it does and I would go with that option anyday.
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**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

I hate it.. The problem with that imo is it can overload your receptors. And then cause blood stability issues. I think an oral kick is the preferred meathod. I have tried two kick starts with Prop and did not like either. It shuts you down immediatly. Dbol is amazing at what it does and I would go with that option anyday.
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With dbol, how long/much did you run?

Thanks

**jarudd23** · 10-12-2012, 08:25 PM

If your looking for the kick start effect I would definitely go with Dbol instead of front loading.

**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:26 PM

More curious then anything. Always learning.

**kmms** · 10-12-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

I hate it.. The problem with that imo is it can overload your receptors. And then cause blood stability issues. I think an oral kick is the preferred meathod. I have tried two kick starts with Prop and did not like either. It shuts you down immediatly. Dbol is amazing at what it does and I would go with that option anyday.
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agreed 100%. i'm not really sure why it gets such a bad rap here and seems to be written off completely by a lot of posters here. if anyone had a bad personal experience with sides then i understand, and many people that read here without posting would be better able to interpret data when relayed as a personal experience but i see time and time again "drop the dbol , drop the dbol, drop the dbol" as a response to cycle inquiries without any follow up. no mention of personal experience with sides, no comments about how it affected their blood work (if they even bothered to have it done post cycle) etc.

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 08:31 PM

Ok so it now sounds like Dbol is the clear favorite to get a test cycle going. I'll start praying now that I get my Dbol!

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 08:32 PM

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**Phased** · 10-12-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

With dbol , how long/much did you run?

Thanks

40-60mg depending on weight, Cycle history, and maturity.

Dan I can pm you if you like.

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:35 PM

I just skimmed these so I may be repeating things that have already been said but.....It's Apples to Oranges! Hell you could do both even if you wanted to. I am not a fan of frontloading as I prefer stable blood levels all the way through and I don't see a HUGE advantage to it.

Problem with Dbol is the fact that nearly all of the gains will be lost so it's not really worth it. If I had to choose ONE of the two it would be the dbol kickstart.

That being said there are better options. I like to kickstart my Test E cycles with Prop, another option would be Tbol for a kickstart. Alot of ppl prefer it over dbol.

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

Ok so it now sounds like Dbol is the clear favorite to get a test cycle going. I'll start praying now that I get my Dbol!

Kickstart that bytch with prop and screw the orals!!!

**DanB** · 10-12-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

40-60mg depending on weight, Cycle history, and maturity.

Dan I can pm you if you like.

thanks i would like to hear your opinion, ill remove the post so the thread dosnt go off topic, but no rush on the pm, whenever you have the time

**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

40-60mg depending on weight, Cycle history, and maturity.

Dan I can pm you if you like.

Thanks. How does tbol compare to kickstart? Ill take a pm also lol.

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I just skimmed these so I may be repeating things that have already been said but.....It's Apples to Oranges! Hell you could do both even if you wanted to. I am not a fan of frontloading as I prefer stable blood levels all the way through and I don't see a HUGE advantage to it.

Problem with Dbol is the fact that nearly all of the gains will be lost so it's not really worth it. If I had to choose ONE of the two it would be the dbol kickstart.

That being said there are better options. I like to kickstart my Test E cycles with Prop, another option would be Tbol for a kickstart. Alot of ppl prefer it over dbol.

Why will all gains be lost? Is it because it gives more of a bloated water weight gain over quality muscle gains?

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:44 PM

Phased...maybe just post a new thread or post it here. this is an information board and I am guessing lot's would like to see the info.

**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

Why will all gains be lost? Is it because it gives more of a bloated water weight gain over quality muscle gains?

Thats what ive always thought of dbol .

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Thanks. How does tbol compare to kickstart? Ill take a pm also lol.

Tbol is noted for having less water weight gained and having the ability to sustain those gains a bit more. You may not gain as much overall size and strength as Dbol .

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

Why will all gains be lost? Is it because it gives more of a bloated water weight gain over quality muscle gains?

YES...the gains are water retained by your muscles and shortly after coming off dbol the water weight goeas away and you have nothing.

**t-dogg** · 10-12-2012, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Tbol is noted for having less water weight gained and having the ability to sustain those gains a bit more. You may not gain as much overall size and strength as Dbol.

Tbol is much like anavar correct? Never ran it, only anavar.

**Phased** · 10-12-2012, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by boxa06

Why will all gains be lost? Is it because it gives more of a bloated water weight gain over quality muscle gains?

The strength will come from the dbol , the AI will help with water retention and then you leave the rest to the test.

People forget that strength gains are just as important as size. You need the strength to lift heavier weight to enduce hypertrophy to increase muscle size. Tbol is like Anavar and its slower acting. Its not a good kick start from my experience. But go with you experience and research first.

Research, learn, listen then decide.
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**Phased** · 10-12-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

YES...the gains are water retained by your muscles and shortly after coming off dbol the water weight goeas away and you have nothing.

This is why you want to run it at the beginning and not end. It starts you off, the test then completely finishes the job along with hardwork, diet and dedication in and out of the gym.
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**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Tbol is much like anavar correct? Never ran it, only anavar.

Yes to a degree and as Phased stated above...it is slower acting and the gains may not be as great as dbol but most who have run both prefer it and say that more of the gains are kept and that the "pumps" like they get from dbol do not exist

**boxa06** · 10-12-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

YES...the gains are water retained by your muscles and shortly after coming off dbol the water weight goeas away and you have nothing.

Can water weight be controlled with an ai and more importantly strict diet? Or does the water weight just pack on regardless.

**Lunk1** · 10-12-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

This is why you want to run it at the beginning and not end. It starts you off, the test then completely finishes the job along with hardwork, diet and dedication in and out of the gym.
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I understand the concept Phased...hell I ran 4 weeks at 50mg on my current cycle. The problem is that too many think that the gains they see from Dbol will stay with them and we both know that just does not happen.