Time to cycle- hows it look

[stillernation]

Going to run a test e only cycle
500mg a week, twice a week. 8 week cycle
PCT Clomid 2 weeks 100mg ed then 2 weeks 50mg ed
Arimidex 4 weeks .5mg ed

All PCT from AR-R
Any advice? things i need to change?

Stats Current
23 yo
6'1"
200lbs
15% body fat
bench-285 x3
squat- 400 x 3
DL- 435 x 5

[boxa06]

Going to run a test e only cycle
500mg a week, twice a week. 8 week cycle
PCT Clomid 2 weeks 100mg ed then 2 weeks 50mg ed
Arimidex 4 weeks .5mg ed

All PCT from AR-R
Any advice? things i need to change?

Stats Current
23 yo
6'1"
200lbs
15% body fat
bench-285 x3
squat- 400 x 3
DL- 435 x 5

Few things, even though you are border line too young I will advise you how to run this properly. Test E at 8 weeks is way too short. For me Test E kicks in at week 6 so you wont have long at peak blood levels so I recommend running it for 12 weeks. Next, Arimidex is an AI which is used on cycle to keep E levels low - High E is responsible for gyno, bloat, acne etc. So arimidex is used on cycle if these side affects occur. For PCT you will need Nolva (liquidex) at 40/40/20/20/20 which can be purchased also from ar-r.

How does your diet look and what are your goals?

[Lunk1]

Few things, even though you are border line too young I will advise you how to run this properly. Test E at 8 weeks is way too short. For me Test E kicks in at week 6 so you wont have long at peak blood levels so I recommend running it for 12 weeks. Next, Arimidex is an AI which is used on cycle to keep E levels low - High E is responsible for gyno, bloat, acne etc. So arimidex is used on cycle if these side affects occur. For PCT you will need Nolva (liquidex) at 40/40/20/20/20 which can be purchased also from ar-r.

How does your diet look and what are your goals?

i would also suggest Clomid at 50/25/25/25 and I like the Nolva 40/20/20/20...I think 4 weeks Pct is plenty for the averge mid reange test cycle.

I agree with everthing else Boxa laid out here for ya!

[boxa06]

i would also suggest Clomid at 50/25/25/25 and I like the Nolva 40/20/20/20...I think 4 weeks Pct is plenty for the averge mid reange test cycle.

I agree with everthing else Boxa laid out here for ya!

Thanks Lunk1

He included Clomid and I forgot to say that was fine.

[mojo999]

Concur with boxa, 12 weeks would be better. Personally, I'd watch the Adex; 0.5 ed is a lot; 0.125 eod works fine for me. Again, each person reacts differently so learn as you progress. Good luck...

[stillernation]

My diet is real clean, 200g protein ed, calories around 2800, carbs 400. So eliminate AI completely from PCT, only to be used if symptoms occur? and are Nolva and Clomid both necessary? and by 50/50/25/25/25 you mean 50mg ed 25 ed etc...? Ill increase my cycle to 12 weeks then, I was trying to keep it as short as possible. any other tips

[boxa06]

My diet is real clean, 200g protein ed, calories around 2800, carbs 400. So eliminate AI completely from PCT, only to be used if symptoms occur? and are Nolva and Clomid both necessary? and by 50/50/25/25/25 you mean 50mg ed 25 ed etc...? Ill increase my cycle to 12 weeks then, I was trying to keep it as short as possible. any other tips

What is your goal? Bulk or Cut? 2800 is a cut I'm guessing.

Eliminate AI completely from PCT and only to be used on cycle if symptoms occur. Also as Mojo said, begin with a lower dose and go from there.

50/50/25/25/25 is 5 weeks of clomid. First week at 50 ed, 2nd week at 50 ed, 3rd week at 25 ed and so on...
Liquid Tamox at 40/40/20/20/20

[stillernation]

Ok thank you. Yeah im trying to cut down to about 7% body fat

[boxa06]

Ok thank you. Yeah im trying to cut down to about 7% body fat

You're welcome. If you need help with diet, post it up and we'll take a look.

[Sworder]

I would suggest you cut with T3/T4 then hit the cycle to regain muscle lost and get a better build. Steroids are better for building and retaining than burning, and you shouldn't have much to retain with those stats. Burn then build! IMO

[stillernation]

T2/t3?

[Sworder]

T3 is a thyroid hormone, that along with clen(which I personally don't like a lot for fat loss) is used in cutting cycles. I would recommend it! My personal choice would be cutting then going on a bulk. But it's gonna be all about diet and cardio in the end. When cutting the drugs don't do that much. But I would say that T3>Testosterone for fat burning. Do some research on it and see what people have to say I would include it personally if I were in your shoes.

[boxa06]

T3 is a thyroid hormone, that along with clen(which I personally don't like a lot for fat loss) is used in cutting cycles. I would recommend it! My personal choice would be cutting then going on a bulk. But it's gonna be all about diet and cardio in the end. When cutting the drugs don't do that much. But I would say that T3>Testosterone for fat burning. Do some research on it and see what people have to say I would include it personally if I were in your shoes.

As the OP is a young beginner I don't think it is in his best interest for you to be suggesting more drugs.

[Sworder]

Okay, just wanted to make sure he reaches his goals. 8% in 12 weeks with testosterone 500mg/week is gonna be tough! Do you not like T3 or have no experience with it?

[boxa06]

Okay, just wanted to make sure he reaches his goals. 8% in 12 weeks with testosterone 500mg/week is gonna be tough! Do you not like T3 or have no experience with it?

I honestly think he could probably do it naturally but I am just advising him how to cycle properly because if I don't he may just do it anyway and I'd rather him do it the correct way. I do agree with you that he should perhaps go into a lean bulk with the Test E and then look at cutting later down the track (well after PCT). But he may have different goals that we are not aware of.

I personally hate clen and never tried T3.

[Sworder]

I hate clen too, try T3! It's nice!

[MuscleInk]

I honestly think he could probably do it naturally but I am just advising him how to cycle properly because if I don't he may just do it anyway and I'd rather him do it the correct way. I do agree with you that he should perhaps go into a lean bulk with the Test E and then look at cutting later down the track (well after PCT). But he may have different goals that we are not aware of.

I personally hate clen and never tried T3.

I've never used T3 personally but treated one patient who used T3 for too long a duration and has subsequently shut down their thyroid and is now on a life long thyroid therapy. I think the test-E and commitment to nutrition is the better option. I realize a lot of people want immediate results but we all know from experience, sometimes patience is prudent and these goals cannot always be rushed.

I'm also not a proponent of clen but that's a personal decision. I realize others are advocates and have enjoyed success but I feel the benefits aren't worth the risks and the same results can be achieved with nutrition, training, and patience.

[Sworder]

Yup, T3 will cause the negative feedback just like on the HPTA!

Not a lot of people like clen! I always have some just in case I need extra energy. Don't use it for burning though.

[MuscleInk]

Yup, T3 will cause the negative feedback just like on the HPTA!

Not a lot of people like clen! I always have some just in case I need extra energy. Don't use it for burning though.

Never used it for a bump in energy....never really considered it for that! Lol

Good to see another SoCal member.

Cheers.

[Sworder]

Yeah, it's like a 24 hour monster @ 50mcgs

[JohnnyVegas]

Without getting into whether T3 works, it might be advisable to avoid using too many drugs at once. It creates too many variables and if your cycle starts to go sideways (no gains, too much bloat, not losing fat as quickly as you expect, blood pressure increase, excessive sweating, etc) you won't know what to adjust. And believe me, your mind is going to mess with you if you are new at this.

I do think you should use your AI throughout and shouldn't wait for sides to appear. Your E2 can get high without you noticing - it isn't always something obvious like gyno...and if it is gyno you will feel dumb for not taking your AI.

[marcus300]

Without getting into whether T3 works, it might be advisable to avoid using too many drugs at once. It creates too many variables and if your cycle starts to go sideways (no gains, too much bloat, not losing fat as quickly as you expect, blood pressure increase, excessive sweating, etc) you won't know what to adjust. And believe me, your mind is going to mess with you if you are new at this.

I do think you should use your AI throughout and shouldn't wait for sides to appear. Your E2 can get high without you noticing - it isn't always something obvious like gyno...and if it is gyno you will feel dumb for not taking your AI.

There you go ^^^

good advice

[stillernation]

Id like to avoid the other drugs, like you said im young. Id like to just run the test to see how i respond. And im fine with bulking while on my cycle, my end goal is a lean 7-10%. If i bulk for these 12 weeks ill follow up after pct with a strict diet and add some.extra cardio. Yall have alot more experience, so altho everyone is different, do you notice sides often from a low test cycle like mine/ and is hcg prefered over arimidex?

[Lunk1]

Thanks Lunk1

He included Clomid and I forgot to say that was fine.

Sorry bout this Boxa...what I meant to say was I would add Nolva as well! My bad!

[stillernation]

Does anyone have an idea of what this should cost me? including pct? pins?
Just wondering if what Im paying is a fair price

[Lunk1]

Does anyone have an idea of what this should cost me? including pct? pins?
Just wondering if what Im paying is a fair price

Sorry bro but price discussion is against board rules so, it would be a violation. I will say that juice, equipment, pct and AI is all cheaper than the food bill you should have if you are doing it right!

[stillernation]

haha ok wasnt aware, thanks. One last question, The test prop i can get is cheaper, if I do 100mg eod, 8 weeks. would pct change at all? What would be an ideal test prop cycle including pct?

[Lunk1]

haha ok wasnt aware, thanks. One last question, The test prop i can get is cheaper, if I do 100mg eod, 8 weeks. would pct change at all? What would be an ideal test prop cycle including pct?

The over all weekly dose doesnt change..test is test!

500mg per week
AI is still the same and so is the PCT...only difference is you would now start your PCT 3 days after your last pin.
Yes run prop 8 weeks is great!

Again not to discuss prices BUT most times Test E is cheaper than prop. You have to take the mg/ML into affect when determining price. If prop is 100mg/ML then it is X amount per mg and it Test E is 250mg/ML then it is X amount per mg. Make sense? Perhaps your prop is cheaper but it's not USUALLY the case when you break it down

[warmouth]

Few things, even though you are border line too young I will advise you how to run this properly. Test E at 8 weeks is way too short. For me Test E kicks in at week 6 so you wont have long at peak blood levels so I recommend running it for 12 weeks. Next, Arimidex is an AI which is used on cycle to keep E levels low - High E is responsible for gyno, bloat, acne etc. So arimidex is used on cycle if these side affects occur. For PCT you will need Nolva (liquidex) at 40/40/20/20/20 which can be purchased also from ar-r.

How does your diet look and what are your goals?

Liquidex from AR is armidex. Tamox is nolva. Just needed to clear that up for you in case you missed it.

[JohnnyVegas]

Yall have alot more experience, so altho everyone is different, do you notice sides often from a low test cycle like mine/ and is hcg prefered over arimidex?

You should run arimidex AND HCG. They serve different purposes. Dex keeps E2 from rising and HCG keeps the testicles working so it is easier to recover at the end of the cycle.

haha ok wasnt aware, thanks. One last question, The test prop i can get is cheaper, if I do 100mg eod, 8 weeks. would pct change at all? What would be an ideal test prop cycle including pct?

Make sure you do the math. Don't just focus on doing a round amount every other day. 100mg EOD is only 350mg/wk. There are other lines on the syringe, you don't always have to do .5ml or 1ml. For example, if you want to do 500mg/wk that will be around 140mg EOD. Don't be afraid to ask if the math gets tricky...better to measure twice and cut once.

PCT will start sooner if you do a short ester like Prop. As mentioned above, 500mg a week is a good starting point. Someone else will need to give PCT advice as I don't feel comfortable doing that. I have no personal experience. Never done PCT and never will since I am on TRT.

[Full_Auto]

i would stick with the Test E 500mg/wk (250x2) for 12 weeks. see how you respond to test only...longer esters are mostly suggested for first cycles as best option. plus, u don't have to pin as much as compared to other types.

i would also recommend running the Adex on cycle regardless of whether or not sides are present. take your first Adex dose the same day you take your first pin...continue taking it for 2 weeks after your last pin. i personally have been taking .5mg EOD which will continue through week 8 of my cycle, then i'll drop it down to .25mg EOD through week 12, unless i need to increase it back up.

i would say your best bet would be a lean bulk cycle. figure out your TDEE, eat 300-500 calories over that per day, as cleanly as possible. hit the nutrition section for tips on how to do so, very helpful. also, do 15-30 min of HIIT cardio before every workout, plus one full cardio workout (40-60min) per week to help keep fat down.

try to add muscle mass without adding fat, which is very tough to do, nevermind trying to reduce fat while adding mass. to burn fat u need a calorie deficit in place & low carbs, which isn't ideal on cycle cuz you need those calories/macros to take full advantage of your AAS to get big. usually, your either getting bigger (building muscle) or getting smaller (burning fat)....doing both at the same time can be problematic even for the most experienced BB's. go back and forth between bulking and cutting....your lean mass will increase and your BF will decrease over time if your diet & training in order as they should be.

[stillernation]

The reason the prop is cheaper is because id be buying in bulk, both the test e and test prop orders will leave me with extra test even mg per ml. Pinning eod isnt a problem but if you dont recommend the short ester for the 1st cycle ill just stick to test e. Is HCG sold at AR-R?

[JohnnyVegas]

The reason the prop is cheaper is because id be buying in bulk, both the test e and test prop orders will leave me with extra test even mg per ml. Pinning eod isnt a problem but if you dont recommend the short ester for the 1st cycle ill just stick to test e. Is HCG sold at AR-R?

In my opinion, the only reason to use long esters is to avoid frequent pinning. If you can handle daily (actually EOD is fine if your volume isn't too high) injections then Prop might be for you.

No HCG at AR-R.

[boxa06]

Liquidex from AR is armidex. Tamox is nolva. Just needed to clear that up for you in case you missed it.

Thanks for pointing it out... I was pretty tired when I was responding to this lol

liquid tamox = nolva
liquidex = arimidex

[stillernation]

Could you explain T3 a little more, im trying to read up on it but i want to hear from someone who has taken it and had positive results. Is this the same as the liquid t3 from ar-r? does it require any pct? good doses? sides? effects on thyroid as mentioned? and results? thanks

[rayman21]

yes they are, and when you say 500mg twice a week is that 250mg each injection or 1000mg/week, because 1000mg/week is a hell of a lot for a beginner, even 500mg in my opinion is abit heavy try 400 and change it up from there, but test e does take a while to kick in so if you dont see results in the 1st few weeks dont think its because the test is not working its just it kicks in different times for different people