armidex or letro?

**seriouslifter** · 09-26-2012, 06:05 PM

im starting a cycle consisting of prop/npp along with HCG throughout. i am gyno prone. which would be better to run throughout? i also wanted to try letro to try and clear the gyno up also, but need to be on cycle first. Also would i do .25mg EOD?

**austinite** · 09-26-2012, 06:11 PM

How much prop and npp are you taking and for how long? Adex works fine to control estrogen. Letro can be a bit aggressive. To clear gyno, I recommend Nolva.

**seriouslifter** · 09-26-2012, 06:28 PM

i thought letro is the best to really remove the lump? i be doing 125-150mg of prop EOD (10weeks) and 100mg EOD of NPP (9 weeks). do i need to stop npp a week before test?

**austinite** · 09-26-2012, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

i thought letro is the best to really remove the lump? i be doing 125-150mg of prop EOD (10weeks) and 100mg EOD of NPP (9 weeks). do i need to stop npp a week before test?

You will get differing opinions on this. Nolva is what I recommend to reverse gyno. 40/20/20/20/20

**seriouslifter** · 09-26-2012, 07:21 PM

u think my gyno would clear when i do PCT of clomid/nolv? I see nolv what u said would be similar.

**austinite** · 09-26-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

u think my gyno would clear when i do PCT of clomid/nolv? I see nolv what u said would be similar.

You should run the nolva protocol outlined above when you confirm the presence gyno. Don't wait.

**seriouslifter** · 09-26-2012, 07:30 PM

i already have gyno that i want to clear up. ive had it for years it seems like. big hard lump behind 1 nipple

**kelkel** · 09-26-2012, 08:07 PM

If it's old, hard and fibrous chances are slim anything will help other than surgery. Here's an interesting article backing up what Austinite's been saying:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

**austinite** · 09-26-2012, 08:47 PM

You've had it for years? Sorry, I must have not caught that from the beginning. I am going to agree with kelkel, surgery might have to be the way to go. Wouldn't hurt to see a doc.

**Sworder** · 09-26-2012, 10:40 PM

Nolva is great to control gyno "flare ups" you get on cycle as well as adjusting your AI dose of course. Between arimidex and letro I prefer letrozole because it comes at a higher concentration which makes it cheaper. On a mg/mg basis I believe their potency is similar. A lot of people prefer Aromasin over letro/adex. Worth a try, just understand that you don't want to use too much letro, people point the finger at letrozole because they are using too much driving their estrogen way down! 0.20ml letro MAY be 0.5mg letrozole. If you were using arimidex at 0.5mg use letrozole at the same MG not the same ML.

Existing glandular tissue which you may have from years before will not disappear and I don't believe there is any treatment besides surgery.

**Honkey_Kong** · 09-27-2012, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

i already have gyno that i want to clear up. ive had it for years it seems like. big hard lump behind 1 nipple

If I were you, I'd start asking guys on here who have had gyno surgery (assuming you're going to consider getting it surgically removed). The reason is because there is a huge difference in quality of work between surgeons. It's worth traveling to have a quality plastic surgeon do the job.

**seriouslifter** · 10-01-2012, 07:53 AM

so i guess bringing it back to the original question, during cycle with those doses should i use letro at .25mg EOD or armidex at .25mg or .5mg EOD?

**marcus300** · 10-01-2012, 08:01 AM

The chances of gyno reversal are slim if your lump is hard and you have had it for many months/yrs.

For estrogen control on cycle I would say a-dex over letro. Letro was always a little to harsh for me and it was alot harder to keep a good estrogen/testosterone balance.

**dirtydopey** · 10-01-2012, 08:12 AM

from my experience adex .5 ed works great on reasonable doses of test when you get above 800mgs wk you might want to get on aromasin if you are stacking other aromatizing gear definitly go with letro with the question of reversal you need to get on letro asap when it happens for better chances of revesal. I dont like nolva for the reason it dosent help with blocking estrogen through out the body it just protects certain areas in my opinion go with adex .5 ed or over 800mgs wk aromasin letro if your stacking aromatising gear.

**thedeerhunter** · 10-01-2012, 08:42 AM

I thought nolva was just for your pct? Would you have to run nolva along with arimidex during your cycle and then run nolva and clomid for your pct if that's what a person chooses to use?

**seriouslifter** · 10-01-2012, 09:52 AM

im doing 400-500mg of prop and 300-400mg of npp weekly.

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-01-2012, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydopey

from my experience adex .5 ed works great on reasonable doses of test when you get above 800mgs wk you might want to get on aromasin if you are stacking other aromatizing gear definitly go with letro with the question of reversal you need to get on letro asap when it happens for better chances of revesal. I dont like nolva for the reason it dosent help with blocking estrogen through out the body it just protects certain areas in my opinion go with adex .5 ed or over 800mgs wk aromasin letro if your stacking aromatising gear.

.5ed of ADEX could kill off too much estrogen. Too low or too much estrogen is a problem. You might notice sore joints or drop in libido (among other side-effects) if you overdo it. Ideally, you want to start off low in your dosage and then raise it until the high estrogen symptoms disappear.

**seriouslifter** · 10-01-2012, 07:26 PM

so what is the effective dose of ADEX on cycle so gyno doesnt start? is it .25mg EOD in regards to the doses above?

**kelkel** · 10-01-2012, 07:41 PM

No one can say. That's generally an effective number but you have to titrate based on your bodies own signals it's sending you, absent blood work.

**seriouslifter** · 10-22-2012, 01:10 PM

so again what is everyone in their opinion using armidex or letro during cycle to just not have gyno appear?

**Trying-Hard** · 10-22-2012, 02:02 PM

Looks like you are looking for someone to tell you exactly what to take....and the reason why you haven't heard that is because no one can say for sure what YOU should take. Everyone reacts differently to different doses when using an AI.

What I will tell you is that the consensus with Adex is to take .25mg eod to start. The ONLY scientific way to know if this dose works for you is to get bloodwork after 4 weeks and see where your E2 levels are. When you get your results back you will be able to see the levels and adjust the dose from there, if needed.

So again, to answer your question, start with adex at .25mg eod but keep in mind this is JUST A STARTING POINT. It may be perfect for you, or it may not be. Listen to your body, get BW, and you will know what to do.

Hope that helps.

**OKCity** · 10-22-2012, 06:45 PM

I'm currently taking letro for gyno and having excellent progress. Again your body may act different than everyone else's.

This is a very debatable topic. As some may say use nothing but nolva, some may say use armidex, and other may say try letro. I can say first hand letro is some POWERFUL stuff! If you decided to use letro, look into c_bino thread call "all you need to know about gyno" it's a good read for existing gyno, on cycle gyno flare ups.

But if you've had it for years! Surgery may be the best option, wouldn't hurt to see an endo! Also you should read up on raloxifene. It's some good stuff used in combo with nolva to reverse gyno and supposedly without tha harsh sides. Good luck