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    I am about to start my first 12 week cycle of Test-E 250mg/ml at 500mg per week (2ml once a week) (Apotek). Have 3ml syringe with 20gx1.5 for drawing and 25gx1.5 for injection. Planning to alternate glutes for injection. I have Nolvadex which I plan to begin on week 16-17 at 40mg a day (2 per day) and week 18-19 at 20mg a day (1 per day) to complete the cycle.

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    Sex: Male
    Age: 30
    Height: 5'10
    Weight: 180lbs
    BF%: 15-16%
    Goal: Drop body fat percentage to around 10% and put on as much muscle as possible during the cycle.

    Close to a year ago my test levels were checked and were in the mid 300's early morning. From what I understand this is terrible.

    As most do, I feel my diet and water intake is in check. Here is a basic overview and example of my diet.

    7:30am:
    In blender
    1/2 cup Quaker oats
    1 scoop of protein
    1 tsp of peanut butter
    10oz Black Coffee

    multi vitamin
    3 1g fish oil caps
    2 CLA caps
    1 1g Flaxseed oil caps

    10:30pm:
    3-4oz cut of meat (fish, chicken breast, lean steak)
    1/2 cup of whole grain brown rice
    slice of avocado

    1:30pm:
    1 slice whole grain bread
    1 tsp peanut butter
    3 1g fish oil caps
    2 CLA caps
    1 1g Flaxseed oil cap
    20oz green tea

    3:00pm:
    3-4oz cut of meat (fish, chicken breast, lean steak)
    1/2 cup of whole grain brown rice
    slice of avocado
    Multi vitamin

    6:30pm:
    3-4oz cut of meat (fish, chicken breast, lean steak)
    veggies (broccoli, zucchini, onion, mushrooms, etc.)
    slice of avocado
    3 1g fish oil caps
    2 CLA caps
    1 1g Flaxseed oil cap

    10:00pm:
    1 scoop casein
    Multi vitamin

    Roughly 1,700 - 2,000 calories a day.

    Drink at least a gallon of water not including coffee and green tea.


    Gym cycle is usually something like this:

    Day 1: Evening: Chest, Triceps, Abs, 25 minutes cardio
    Day 2: Evening: Back, Biceps, Shoulders, 25 minutes cardio
    Day 3: Off
    Day 4: Morning: 45 minutes cardio
    Day 5: Evening: Legs, 30 minutes cardio
    Day 6: Morning: 45 minutes cardio
    Day 7: Off

    Few misc questions I am having a hard time getting clear answers on:
    1.) I currently do no have anything in hand for AI if said gyno symptoms/side begin. Should I be concerned with this at 500mg a week? If so, how should I handle this?

    2.) I see a lot of post suggesting getting your blood work done. Is this to check your current test levels or are there other things I need to be concerned with checking pre and post cycle?

    3.) How long after the cycle (including PCT) should I wait before getting my test levels checked again to confirm my natural levels have returned?

    4.) Any recommendations on diet? How much calorie increase should I plan for once I start the cycle (I was planning to add 1 scoop protein in between meals; 3-4 additional scoops a day).

    5.) Should I increase by calorie intake in week 2-3 or should I increase my calorie intake on day 1.

    6.) Is there anything I am missing or any recommendations you find important regarding safety, injection location, PCT, etc.

    I appreciate any assistance you guys can provide.
    Last edited by JimJohn; 09-23-2012 at 12:57 PM.

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    Thanks for stopping by...most of this stuff can be found on this site with a little research but I will gladely address a cpl things.

    1) you are not eating enough to gain muscle. You will have to increase your cals in order to gain size. It apppears to me that you are short on protein for sure. Hit up the nutrition section and post your diet

    2) Test E should be injected 2X a week so 250mg on Mon and Thurs for example.

    3) you will need an AI to combat estro related side effects. My suggestion is Adex at .25mg ed

    4) you should have both clomid and nolva for a PCT

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    more food def you should range from 3-3500 min on cycle im not alot heavyer and go for 5000 when on if bulking . No food no muscle buddy re-think or check out diet section and you dont wait 4 weeks to start pct either for test-e m8 more like 2 pct looks ok if you want to do 40mg of nolvadex for that long but i dont i just do the simple 40/20/20/20 at most hope this helps bud!

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    As said above perfect injection times are monday /thursday

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    Thanks. Here is where I got my information regarding when to start PCT.

    dubdubdub dot steroid dot com/beginner-steroid-cycles.php

    Week 1-12 Testosterone -Enanthate or Testosterone-Cypionate : 250mg-500mg per week
    Week 13-15 you will take nothing and let the testosterone begin to clear out
    Week 16-17 Nolvadex 40mg per day
    Week 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg per day

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    no mate 14 days not 4 weeks!

    anyone else think im wrong on this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJohn View Post
    Thanks. Here is where I got my information regarding when to start PCT.

    dubdubdub dot steroid dot com/beginner-steroid-cycles.php

    Week 1-12 Testosterone -Enanthate or Testosterone-Cypionate : 250mg-500mg per week
    Week 13-15 you will take nothing and let the testosterone begin to clear out
    Week 16-17 Nolvadex 40mg per day
    Week 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg per day
    Check out some of the stickys at the top page for great info. When you learn on your own you retain the knowledge better.
    Nolva 40/40/20/20 Clomid 50/50/25/25

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    There we go, now they guys have pretty nailed it down.

    Our nutrition section is awesome those guys really know what they are talking about. Please have them look at the diet. There are stickies in there as well titled

    How to bulk
    How to cut
    Dieting 101

    Give those a look. Definitely pin the 500mg twice a week. Keeps bloods more stable AI can be purchased from the banner at top of page.

    Please do not start this cycle before you have everything on hand AI, test, and PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binsser View Post
    no mate 14 days not 4 weeks!

    anyone else think im wrong on this??
    Yes 14 days before PCT is perfect!

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    My advice is to cut natty to a 10% bodyfat. Just keep up your diet and cardio and you should be there in about 2-3 months. Use that first cycle as a bulker after you finish your cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binsser
    no mate 14 days not 4 weeks!

    anyone else think im wrong on this??
    14 days after last Test E injection run PCT

    PCT will be 4 weeks longs

    You had the right thing, I think you misread his post or maybe I dis

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    yeah always after last shot think thats what was meant anyway 4 weeks would be a great mistake alot of profiles on here also have been said to be needing updates as well buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportbikerKid View Post
    My advice is to cut natty to a 10% bodyfat. Just keep up your diet and cardio and you should be there in about 2-3 months. Use that first cycle as a bulker after you finish your cut.
    10% is kinda low. I could go along with between 12-15%.

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    yeah 15 is mint!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stpete View Post
    10% is kinda low. I could go along with between 12-15%.
    Well he said that 10% is his goal. If I was in his place, I would want to hit my goal bodyfat before the cycle and just worry about gaining lean mass while on the cycle. His current plans are to cut to 10% and gain lean body mass on cycle. I just believe the cycle would be much more effective if he didn't try to do both at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stpete View Post
    10% is kinda low. I could go along with between 12-15%.
    if he is already at 15% I think it would be benificial to keep the test cycle while cutting down to 12%ish to help maintain the muscle during the cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    if he is already at 15% I think it would be benificial to keep the test cycle while cutting down to 12%ish to help maintain the muscle during the cut.
    At his level, he will have no trouble keeping his muscle on a cut.

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    really!!! keeping the test would guarentee that period!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by binsser
    yeah always after last shot think thats what was meant anyway 4 weeks would be a great mistake alot of profiles on here also have been said to be needing updates as well buddy!
    Huh? This to me

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    So does everyone agree an AI should be ran for this cycle? I have read posts that suggest not to run it unless side effects are present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binsser View Post
    really!!! keeping the test would guarentee that period!!
    See..there are things we agree on just fine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Yes 14 days before PCT is perfect!

    no this ^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJohn View Post
    So does everyone agree an AI should be ran for this cycle? I have read posts that suggest not to run it unless side effects are present.
    AI YES end of story. PPL that suggest keeping on hand are old school and relate estro to gyn ONLY. In reality there are number of side affects caused by estro that are noy GYNO.
    For example..I run high BP during cycle and an AI helps combat that!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    See..there are things we agree on just fine...

    ha ha ha i was atually pissing myself laughing by the way ha ha ha your just easy to anoy as your on tren and i love u too in a bro sort of way yeah ha ha ha ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    AI YES end of story. PPL that suggest keeping on hand are old school and relate estro to gyn ONLY. In reality there are number of side affects caused by estro that are noy GYNO.
    For example..I run high BP during cycle and an AI helps combat that!!!
    Agree with Lunk, .25 EOD and adjust accordingly

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    Quote Originally Posted by binsser View Post
    no this ^^^^
    Easy killer..you asked the question "does anyone think your wrong on this".

    I was just trying to say YES...I agree. Breath in through the nose and out through the mouth man...it's all good

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    ha ha ha ha pissin myself !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AXx View Post
    Agree with Lunk, .25 EOD and adjust accordingly
    .25mg EOD of Adex on cycle and drop it when PCT starts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    Thanks for stopping by...most of this stuff can be found on this site with a little research but I will gladely address a cpl things.

    1) you are not eating enough to gain muscle. You will have to increase your cals in order to gain size. It apppears to me that you are short on protein for sure. Hit up the nutrition section and post your diet

    2) Test E should be injected 2X a week so 250mg on Mon and Thurs for example.

    3) you will need an AI to combat estro related side effects. My suggestion is Adex at .25mg ed

    4) you should have both clomid and nolva for a PCT
    Why have both Clomid and Nolva for PCT?
    Adex at .25 during cycle and drop it when starting PCT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AXx View Post
    There we go, now they guys have pretty nailed it down.

    Our nutrition section is awesome those guys really know what they are talking about. Please have them look at the diet. There are stickies in there as well titled

    How to bulk
    How to cut
    Dieting 101

    Give those a look. Definitely pin the 500mg twice a week. Keeps bloods more stable AI can be purchased from the banner at top of page.

    Please do not start this cycle before you have everything on hand AI, test, and PCT.
    I dont have a banner at top of page for purchasing Arimidex . Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. PM if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJohn

    I dont have a banner at top of page for purchasing Arimidex. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated. PM if needed.
    ar-r.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJohn View Post
    Why have both Clomid and Nolva for PCT?
    Adex at .25 during cycle and drop it when starting PCT?
    http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...CYCLE-THERAPY)

    Yes .25 and stop with last inject.

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    Ok so I just purchased some Liquidex from ar-r . Im guessing I should start the liquidex on my first inject of test-e or should I wait 2 weeks until the test starts kicking in?

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    should I start the liquidex on my first inject of test-e or should I wait 2 weeks until the test starts kicking in?

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