What should a second cycle look like?

**diabolicsoul** · 10-15-2012, 09:01 PM

I'm going to start my first cycle in January, Test E 500 mg for 12 weeks. Already have AI, clomid, and nolva. I need to pick up 2 more vials of Test E and figured I will pick some stuff up for my next cycle as it will save me some money.

I was thinking about adding 4-6 week of orals. either tbol, dbol , or var. But they are all fairly expensive compared to compounds that I can inject.

What injectible compounds are recommended as a second cycle?

**Phased** · 10-15-2012, 09:03 PM

Cycle 2 would be like this if you like
1-12 Testosterone Cyp
1-8 Tbol 60-100mg (20-60mg Am, 20-60mg PM)
1-12 Aromasin 10-12.5mg EOD
1-12 HCG 250/500iu twice a week
NAC 600-1200mg ED

PCT started two weeks after last injection
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

Edit, update to PCT

**diabolicsoul** · 10-15-2012, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Cycle 2 would be like this if you like
1-12 Testosterone Cyp
1-8 Tbol 60-100mg (20-60mg Am, 20-60mg PM)
1-12 Aromasin 10-12.5mg EOD
1-12 HCG 250/500iu twice a week
NAC 600-1200mg ED

PCT started two weeks after last injection
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Torem 120/120/60/60/60/60

Well laid out. Thanks.

Irrelevent question, but when should someone add deca or winstrol to a cycle? After they had a few good cycles under their belt?

**Phased** · 10-15-2012, 09:17 PM

I dont like either of those compounds so I dont give advice on them..

**warmouth** · 10-15-2012, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

I dont like either of those compounds so I dont give advice on them..

Could you elaborate? I dont hear much from people using Deca . If it doesnt derail the OPs thread and he is curious too, could you tell he and I about Deca?

**Phased** · 10-15-2012, 09:27 PM

I like NPP over Deca , and I like Var or Primo over Winny.

**stpete** · 10-15-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by diabolicsoul

I'm going to start my first cycle in January, Test E 500 mg for 12 weeks. Already have AI, clomid, and nolva. I need to pick up 2 more vials of Test E and figured I will pick some stuff up for my next cycle as it will save me some money.

I was thinking about adding 4-6 week of orals. either tbol, dbol , or var. But they are all fairly expensive compared to compounds that I can inject.

What injectible compounds are recommended as a second cycle?

Depends on goals. What would you like to accomplish during cycle? I can think of serious mass builders along w/good cutters....

**Noles12** · 10-15-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by diabolicsoul

Well laid out. Thanks.

Irrelevent question, but when should someone add deca or winstrol to a cycle? After they had a few good cycles under their belt?

Either one can be added to a second cycle depending on goals and current body composition. Add one compound to a second cycle in order to understand where new gains or sides come from

**austinite** · 10-15-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Depends on goals. What would you like to accomplish during cycle? I can think of serious mass builders along w/good cutters....

^ This before suggestions...

**Phased** · 10-15-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by diabolicsoul

Well laid out. Thanks.

Irrelevent question, but when should someone add deca or winstrol to a cycle? After they had a few good cycles under their belt?

I changed the PCT from torem to nolva since you already have the nolvadex on hand.

**Lunk1** · 10-15-2012, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

I like NPP over Deca, and I like Var or Primo over Winny.

I agree with Var over winny and maybe over primo due to the price of primo
But isn't NPP basicly a different ester version of Deca ???

**austinite** · 10-15-2012, 09:40 PM

OP... you realize that all the opinions you're getting are completely random, right? You need to let everyone know what your goals are.

**Phased** · 10-15-2012, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

OP... you realize that all the opinions you're getting are completely random, right? You need to let everyone know what your goals are.

Yes we got ahead of ourselves, we need stats, goals, diet, etc.

**diabolicsoul** · 10-16-2012, 10:46 AM

Fell asleep, sorry guys!
24.
Training for about 5 years. taken some time off due to injuries. ( herniated discs)
Currently I am roughly 170lb. 14-16BF%.
5'8.

Diet is generally always good, but if I feel like my diet isn't spot on, i'm not even going to waste my time with my first cycle. I put quite a bit of effort and money into it. I want to get the most out of it. I just need to focus on eating cleaner foods, but that's no problem.

Right now, I am doing a small bulk, and around the start of November, I plan on cutting to 10-12 BF%, or as close as I can by January 10thish (When I start my cycle)

Goal for first cycle will be a lean bulk/bulk.

However, my goal for my second cycle will be more of a cutting/lean gain cycle. Which is why I was leaning towards var or tbol, but I would rather choose something I could inject.

I hear that a lot of people get joint pain from winny because it dries you out. I'm not keen on that.

Mast and primo look good, but expensive. Would NPP be the best choice?

**diabolicsoul** · 10-16-2012, 04:09 PM

Did a little more research on everything that has been said in this thread. I concluded that I'll be going with Phases original lay out for my second cycle.
I'm not liking the sides that could come from winny.
NPP looks good, but apparently it elevates your prolactin quite a bit and I dont want the sides that come with that.
And everything else is pretty expensive.

Thanks for the help.