I dont know anything!!! Done plenty of research!

[wakky]

Hello iv been training for about 12months now my diet is perfect training is good, but im not making any gains. I'm 21 yrs old. 170lb about 18% bf, lacking servere muscle mass!

Decided to take steriod but i dont know what to take! And where to get them from! Please shed some light on me. My lifts are not progressing!!!

I know have i have to take a stack cycle, but which one? I will give commission for help. I want to take it for one cycle and then stop. Gained anout 18b of muscle.

[shredded]

At you're age solid nutrition and training is what's going to give you results not gear. Train naturally for a few more years.

I would focus more on making workouts more intense I you say diet is "perfect".

[btern]

with 18% body fat of course your going to be lacking muscle mass, even if it was there youd be hard pressed seing it. i guarentee your diet is not perfect as it dosnt explain your high bf. head to the diet section and let the experts give you some advice on that.
you are not ready for aas yet far from it imo these are not magic beans we are talking. you need to develop a sturdy base to juice off, other wise you will do more harm then good. sorry mate i know its not what you want to hear but as others chime in on this thread aswell hopefully you will better understand!!

[wakky]

Really?? I work my ass off and my lifts do not go up!! I do a lot of walking an such due to work. I walk like 12km daily. You think that could be the reason for my lifts not going up even though im eating what i burn and gain 1lb weekly.

[Capebuffalo]

If you please list everything you ate yesterday.

[wakky]

with 18% body fat of course your going to be lacking muscle mass, even if it was there youd be hard pressed seing it. i guarentee your diet is not perfect as it dosnt explain your high bf. head to the diet section and let the experts give you some advice on that.
you are not ready for aas yet far from it imo these are not magic beans we are talking. you need to develop a sturdy base to juice off, other wise you will do more harm then good. sorry mate i know its not what you want to hear but as others chime in on this thread aswell hopefully you will better understand!!

Ok if you guys say dont take them i wont. My diet was shit
Upto 8months ago. I was 240lb so i just stopped eating more or less! My diet is pretty good now. Iv had my diet checked on bodybuilding .c o m website.

[Capebuffalo]

No offence but bb dot com isn't the best.
Go to the nutrition section here and get some great advise.
Really it's worth your time.

[Matt]

Welcome to the board wakky its good to see you here....

As stated your diet is extremely important along with training........

Once those are sorted you need to be looking at a very simple test e/c/p cycle 400/500mgs weekly. You will need an ai to combat any unwanted estrogen related side effects and a solid pct once your cycle is complete....

But remember taking steroids t any age comes with risks, cause damage now to your endocrine system now may cause unwanted issue later in life, be safe mate.....

We are here to answer any questions you may have and hopefully guide you in the right direction...

[wakky]

Welcome to the board wakky its good to see you here....

As stated your diet is extremely important along with training........

Once those are sorted you need to be looking at a very simple test e/c/p cycle 400/500mgs weekly. You will need an ai to combat any unwanted estrogen related side effects and a solid pct once your cycle is complete....

But remember taking steroids t any age comes with risks, cause damage now to your endocrine system now may cause unwanted issue later in life, be safe mate.....

We are here to answer any questions you may have and hopefully guide you in the right direction...

Thanks a lot! Iv just read nutrition forum, and diets on here are like strict and all good foods. Have you heard of IIFYM? Thats what is mainly done there.

I will do more in depth research. Also my training method is lyles generic bulk routine, is that fine?

[system admin]

Take your time to research and ask questions. Slow down man. These are powerful drugs, not magic pills. You have come to the right place if you want to gain knowledge, but you need to slow down and educate yourself on all aspects of these drugs. Nutrition and training are the most important factors to reach your goals.

Tip: Take criticism with a grain of salt. There are a TON of people on here who really want to help you, but you have to be prepared to listen.

[Matt]

Im not sue i know what IIFYM is mate??

Lyle McDonald's routine are good imo especially if there working for you which is the most important thing....

The usage of aas can become very complicated for a beginner but it really is important to have at least a basic understanding of the do's and don't and how those compounds work and effect the body... This is why we are here, there are many great educational threads here but they too can become complicated so have a read of the beginner cycles and ask as many questions as possible......

[wakky]

Thanks guys I appreciate your help. Just been through the stickies you got listed in the nutrition section, what i have learnt is that this forum has their diet very diffrent to bb. co m. All that is listed here is good diet with good foods to eat. However at (bb) they say IIFYM. Basicly if you meet your micronutrients you can eat whatever you want to fill in the rest of your macros, such as eating icecream and chocolate cake on a daily basis aslong as you have hit your micros and the chocolate cake fits within your allocated calories and macros. Also here it says eating every couple of hours, they do IF basicly eating 1 or 2 meals a day.

You guys are really welcoming and helpful! I can assure you that i take all advise given to me no matter what! Thats how iv been following BB exactly what they said!

Would you guys suggest that i drop the excess cardio i am doing? could this also my current IIFYM diet be messing my progress up? I am very motivated to work! I have been training like crazy for past 6 months but i gained fat, then i lost it, then i gained it gain!

[marcus300]

Please read this carefully because this is the right advice - dont cycle at 18% bf and 170lbs with only 12 months worth of training under your belt, let alone your age. Now I know this isnt what you want to hear but this advice is the right advice for someone with your stats. I hope you reconsider your approach

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection /tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT . Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[wakky]

Please read this carefully because this is the right advice - dont cycle at 18% bf and 170lbs with only 12 months worth of training under your belt, let alone your age. Now I know this isnt what you want to hear but this advice is the right advice for someone with your stats. I hope you reconsider your approach

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection /tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT . Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

Thanks man. Yh after reading what you wrote, Im not going to take any steds hopefully this forum will help me with my training and diet. I am currently on 3400calories 180grams protein 90grams fat and the rest carbs. I keep account using a phone app called mynetdiary.

[Honkey_Kong]

Wakky, you still haven't posted everything you ate from yesterday. Give us the times and portions too. We'll help you straighten it out. And then afterwards, we'll go over your workouts and see if we can change things around for you.

[marcus300]

Thanks man. Yh after reading what you wrote, Im not going to take any steds hopefully this forum will help me with my training and diet. I am currently on 3400calories 180grams protein 90grams fat and the rest carbs. I keep account using a phone app called mynetdiary.

Thats great news to hear.

All you need to do is to learn how to eat to grow correctly and slowly build a solid base, also learn how to train what will build mass and szie and then couple these together and your on the way to building better body. We have an excellent diet section where we have stickie and also I would advice you to post a thread listing what you eat daily and then we can all give you advice how to change things around to suit your goals. Also drop by the traininbg section and list your routine and lets see what we can do with that. Its a slow steady race not a sprint and if you learn to master your diet and training you will be in a better place to use steroids in a few yrs.

Best of luck

[austinite]

Thanks man. Yh after reading what you wrote, Im not going to take any steds hopefully this forum will help me with my training and diet. I am currently on 3400calories 180grams protein 90grams fat and the rest carbs. I keep account using a phone app called mynetdiary.

Best of luck buddy. Please don't hesitate to ask anything in the future, we'll be more than happy to help. Good to have you on board.

[wakky]

Wakky, you still haven't posted everything you ate from yesterday. Give us the times and portions too. We'll help you straighten it out. And then afterwards, we'll go over your workouts and see if we can change things around for you.

I will post diet when i get home. Would you like the macros and calories only or the actual food?

[Capebuffalo]

I will post diet when i get home. Would you like the macros and calories only or the actual food?

Yes please

[wakky]

what i eat is here: the food type:

breakcake with bacon rasher with extra light mayo, and a apple.

lunch, tuna baguette, and 2 eggs

then 2 wholemeal breads, 4 bacon rashers and extra light mayo
350gram broccoli
400grams chicken breast with breadcake extra light mayo
and some icecream

then oats with milk, hot chocolate, 20grams peanut butter on breadcake apple and 4 jello packets and a home made cake

I count all calories and all the item listed have been weighed and counted

calories eaten:3400
93grams fat
407grams carbs
233grams protein


This is aceptable on bb.c om iv hit my macros and that that matter apparenty.
Today iv been eating the way you guys do and ill post that up in a little while if you want.

[wakky]

todays diet: again i didnt post exact grams but everything has been counts and weighed!

breakfast:4 wholemeal bread
tuna is brine
salmon paste
apple

lunch:cottage cheese
3 eggs

dinner:400grams chicken breast
broccoli
300grams sweet potato
ketchup

2 hours after dinner:
hot chocolate-only 40cals
2 apple
wholemeal bread with 40grams all natural peanutbutter

before bed:80grams oats and 350grams semi-skimmed milk

Calories eaten:3400
fat:85grams
carbs:400 grams
protein:266grams

[warmouth]

bump.........

[wakky]

Also bumping!

[The Titan99]

Hey man! From what I see is you need to change your carb sources to slower burning choices. First, out with all the bread. Your carb grams need to be halved at least. 150-180 max if your 170 lbs at 19% BF. This is your main problem. Remember you Lean Body Mass at those stats is 135 lbs. This is what you need to feed and grow. Good carb sources early in the day are oats, brown rice and sweet potatoes. Later in the day eat more leafy, high fiber carbs like broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts etc. After 4:00 pm cut carbs completely and make all meals protein/fat. With each meal you want to have a protein and a carb OR a fat, not both. This is called macro nutrient partitioning.
As far as eating well, this is probably the one phrase that keeps people from having the cut, muscular body they're envisioning. You not only need to eat the right foods, but you need to eat the right amounts, the right combinations and at the right time. Google Basic Metabolic Rate (BMR). After that Google TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure). Open an account at www.fitday.com then go to the diet section of this forum and figure out how much of each macro nutrient you need, how to pair them and when (partitioning) and when to eat them to do what it is your wanting to do. "The one secret thing that every guy and girl with what you think is the perfect physique is taking isn't a drug or a supplement, it's an absolutely accurate account of every single fvcking thing that goes into their mouth."

Anyway, like Marcus says it's a matter of time, pressure and attention to detail. Not a sprint. But if I can do this at +45, you will be a monster starting at 21. Have fun!!