1st cycle advise, pct??

[grit]

After going over this forum,great advise here. I haven't done a cycle in many years and being 41,I've decided to go with a basic test cycle for 8-10wks, hopefully shouldn't have much for sides and easy on the body and maybe gain 5lbs of muscle. Should I expect to hold alot of water and bloat up?I will be eating very clean, no crap. Should I run an anti-est at the same time? and what should I take for a PCT and should I start it a wk after my last pin?

thanks

[austinite]

Hey grit!

You can control bloat. What ester are you planning on using?

Can you provide your weight, height, body fat percentage?

[grit]

I'm 5'4" 170lbs, 12%BF, been lifting for 12 years on and off.Was considering test e, 150 twice a wk

thanks

[Lunk1]

A basic begginer cycle would be 250mg X 2 per week imo and I would run it out to 12 weeks.

[jimmyinkedup]

Low dose ai on cycle. Arimidex .25 eod or even e3d. id go with liquidex - easier than spitting pill into 4 dosing wise.
pct 2 weeks after last injection
pct clomid nolva. clomid 70/35/35/35 nolva 40/20/20/20

[Capebuffalo]

You need an AI like armidex .25mg eod
hcg would be good to run during cycle
As for pct start times they are dependent on which ester test you use. It can be as soon as 3 days to as long as 18 days.

[austinite]

I'm 5'4" 170lbs, 12%BF, been lifting for 12 years on and off.Was considering test e, 150 twice a wk

thanks

Interesting. Stats are certainly good. This is what I would do...

Week 1 to 12 - Test E @ 400mg per week (200mg twice weekly, like Mon/Thu)
Week 1 to 12 - Adex @ 0.25 EOD or E3D(This is to control elevated estrogen levels) Armimidex or Anastrozole.
Week 1 to 12 - HCG @ 250 iu, twice weekly. (Helps recovery and prevents testicular atrophy)

Take 2 weeks off from everything above. Then begin Post Cycle Therapy, which should consist of clomid 75/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20 (each number represents the daily dose for that week, for a 4 week total PCT)


Best of luck to you, grit.

[grit]

Thanks

for the advice, would I make any gains if I only ran it for 8weeks? or do I need to go 12 weeks

thanks

[Capebuffalo]

If you go with prop 8 weeks will be fine but there are more injections
Test e really starts to work around week 4-6 so you need the extra weeks to get everything you can out of it.

[songdog]

Yes you really need to run Eth longer than 8 weeks or you will miss a lot of its gains.

[jimmyinkedup]

Comparative pharmacokinetics of testosterone enanthate and testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate as assessed by serum and salivary testosterone levels in normal men.

Schürmeyer T, Nieschlag E.

The pharmacokinetics of 2 testosterone esters, testosterone enanthate and testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate, were compared in a single blind crossover study in healthy young men. Their effects on serum and salivary levels of testosterone, as well as on the serum levels of LH, FSH and prolactin were measured after the injection of doses equivalent to 140 mg free testosterone. Both preparations yielded supraphysiological testosterone levels in serum and saliva as early as 2 h following injection, reaching peak levels 4 to 5 times above basal between 8 and 24 h. LH and FSH levels were suppressed as long as serum testosterone levels were elevated. Nine days after injecting testosterone enanthate and 7 days after giving testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate, serum and salivary levels of testosterone had returned to basal. The longer activity of testosterone enanthate was also evidenced from more extended suppression of gonadotrophin levels. Although neither preparation is ideal because of the initial supraphysiological peaks, testosterone enanthate appears preferable for clinical use because of its slightly longer duration of action.

[grit]

Ordering my gear tomorrow,should I go with test e or test c?

thanks

[austinite]

Ordering my gear tomorrow,should I go with test e or test c?

thanks

Doesnt matter.

[grit]

Thanks fo thats for th advise.I recieved my test e 250mg/ml. will take twice a wk.have my arimidex 1mg/tab,will take 1/4 tab every 2nd day ?
for my pct i have my nolv 20mg tab and clomid 50mg tab,prob best taken with food.
my only question is I have hcg,is this nessessary?And does the white tab just get dissolved in sterile water?it says 5000 on the bottle.is it best to use an inulin needle for this one?

thanks again

[frank13]

Thanks fo thats for th advise.I recieved my test e 250mg/ml. will take twice a wk.have my arimidex 1mg/tab,will take 1/4 tab every 2nd day ?
for my pct i have my nolv 20mg tab and clomid 50mg tab,prob best taken with food.
my only question is I have hcg,is this nessessary?And does the white tab just get dissolved in sterile water?it says 5000 on the bottle.is it best to use an inulin needle for this one?

thanks again

hcg it would be a good idea to use it it will stop testicular atrophy (keep your boys from shrinking up) witch means you will recover faster witch is always good and yes the white pill will dissolve in sterile water use an insulin pin its a subcutaneous injection its very easy to mix and use there are a million videos on YouTube you can watch to learn how to mix it use 250mg 2x a week on cycle until one week after last pin

[grit]

I'm just waiting on a few sterlie vials and bact water to mix hcg, would you start the cycle for a week without the hcg and then start the hcg when vials and water get here or wait on the 1st pin til the hcg stuff arrives?
thanks

[frank13]

I'm just waiting on a few sterlie vials and bact water to mix hcg, would you start the cycle for a week without the hcg and then start the hcg when vials and water get here or wait on the 1st pin til the hcg stuff arrives?
thanks

if it will only be one week you will be fine

[gymfu]

Had blood work done?

Your 41 so there is a chance your t levels are low.

I say this because after your cycle and PCT your test levels will almost be guaranteed to be at least somewhat lower then they are now, full testosterone recovery usually takes time, the PCT kick starts it.