Test E - First cycle - A few questions!

[LambofGod2012]

Hey dudes, I figured this would be a good place to ask a question about my first possible cycle.

I have done lots of research these past few months, and have learned a lot. However, I can't seem to find the answer I am looking for my scenario.

First, I plan to do 500 mg Test E weekly for 15 weeks. Of course with a PCT

My diet is great, I have been tracking my cals/macros every day to the dot for a little over a year now. Been training hard and consistently for 2.5-3 years not including my high school days of lifting.

I am doing my FIRST bodybuilding show in April. I did the math and if I were to start my cycle next week it would end in the last week of January/first week of February. I wanted to begin cutting for the show the first week of January, so that means I would be bulking for roughly 10 weeks, and cutting for 5 on the test.

My main question is, is this a plausbile idea? I know the gains would not be as great if I were to simply bulk the whole time, however, that is the circumstance I am in.

If you guys believe it would still bring workthwile gains, I am down with it. If you guys think the gains would not be worth it, then I am fine with waiting to hold my first cycle for a later date.

I appreciate any aqdvice you guys are willing to give. Like I said, I've done a lot of research, but that isn't the same as experience

[MickeyKnox]

Just want to welcome you to the Forums.

[Phased]

What are you stats?

[LambofGod2012]

Thanks man

and

I am 22.
5'6 (and a half, haha)
170 lbs
10% bodyfat ish

My lifts are: 455 dead
405 squat
and for bench 285.
(Just some extra stats for ya.)

[fit2bOld]

Hey Lamb, can you post up a pic that would help. Don't have to have a face edit it out...Stats look good....

[LambofGod2012]

Hey Lamb, can you post up a pic that would help. Don't have to have a face edit it out...Stats look good....

Hey man, tried to upload it on here, but it wouldn't let me because of my post count. I could PM you the link to image if you really would like me to

Tried Pm'ing you, but it won't let me do that either. Haha. I'll try making my image smaller to add as my avi...

[LambofGod2012]

Avi pic uploaded. Hope it helps guys

[OnTheSauce]

you arent 10% going off your avi. if you want to do the show in april, i would suggest starting the cycle to where you will come off the test 2 weeks before show date. you will need to cut fo 8-12 weeks out. so your cycle will basically be a cut, not a mass cycle.

[warmouth]

You got alot of work to do, AAS aside. If you have a show within 6 months, you have to bust your butt for sure. Good luck!

[Matt]

Welcome to the board Lamb, good to have you here mate....

[Sworder]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but, have you checked if your growth-plates are fused yet? An AAS cycle will surely speed up that process and fusing them will lead to your height stagnating. Before you even think about touching an AAS, check your growth-plates.

Edit: Adding thread:http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...m#.UIENj4ZZZX8

[Sheven]

For a youngster, i would definitely start with the minimum dosages of 250mg/week for 10 weeks no more. Its more than enough for a gear virgin IMO. You could add some oral for kick-start in low dosages like 25mg dbol for 3 weeks. No need to rush things especially now when you are a rookie and you will benefit fully from the exogenous testosterone you add. You can use 500mg further in the future maybe your 3rd cycle if you even consider doing 3 cycles. I prefer mixing more substances and keeping the total mg at low amount rather than hitting high on certain substances, don't forget roids have synergistic effect when combined (and in my opinion come with more benefits at lower dosages than side effects).

[fit2bOld]

Looks as if you have some real work ahead of you. Coming in as a super ripped lightweight for you height would be the goal. That middleweight class is tough..
Might want to go this one natural and get your feet wet then get back to the gym hard for the next year......

[LambofGod2012]

Thanks everyone for the replies. I tried replying to everyone with quotes, but it wouldn't let me for span reasons it said?

Anyway, I appreciate the advice and critiques. The picture I uploaded isn't the best.. my back and legs are my strongest body parts, and my chest/bis are my weakest. That doesn't really matter I guess anyway haha

I talked to my one friend who has done numerous high level bodybuilding shows (and quite a few cycles as well.)

He said I could go with 12 weeks of Test P, and just use it for my cut and that I would make some decent gains as long as I lift hard (which I do.)

Basically, at this point have decided on either Test P for 12 weeks or just going natty until after the shows. I know someone suggested taking an oral along with it, but I really rather just go solo this time around just to see how this stuff effects me. Rather keep it simple! Any other words of wisdom will be appreciated.

Thanks dudes

*And yes, I fully intend coming to the show as a light weight. Its a small local show, nothing too huge. It will be a good first experience.

[Matt]

I don't tend to advise test p for a first cycle just because it a lot of pining, test e is imo a better choice.....

Whatever you decide mate your in the right place for all the assistance you need...

[LambofGod2012]

Thanks for the reply, Matt. In that case, would you suggest Test E for a cut? Say 10-12 weeks? Ending the cycle a few weeks before the show of course?

And I know this is dumb, but I just want to clarify.. SOME lean gains can be made during a cycle during a cut right? Some say NO, just for maintaing purposes, other claim you can make SOME gains. Thanks for an answer man

[Matt]

I believe any compound can be used to cut or bulk, imo diet and training play the main role and not the aas.....

Its very difficult to add much lean mass when cutting, it would be better to do one or the other however cutting whilst running a cycle can help you keep what you have.. Scales mean nothing, a guy can lose 10/30lbs when cutting but look much much bigger because of definition. Its all about creating an illusion, you weight much less but look much bigger....

Just some thoughts...

[LambofGod2012]

Thats the answer I expected man. Thanks. I understand about the dieting. I did a cut this summer of about 12 weeks, maintained all my lifts and and lost about 24 lbs including water weight. I was ripped, and looked a lot bigger despite losing so much weight.

Hmm, I guess at this point if I won't really be able to gain any muscle during my cut and only keep what I have.. it seems sort of dumb to cycle at this time for the show. I managed to keep what I had this summer while natty so I'd almost rather wait for a mass cycle.

[Matt]

Sounds like a plan mate....

[KarsenH]

Hey man, I've been interested in a Test E cycle as well. Later on in life though unfortunately. I'm still a little young to be going through intense cycles such as those but I'm curious to see how you're doing after it man. Best of luck!

[LambofGod2012]

Hey man, I've been interested in a Test E cycle as well. Later on in life though unfortunately. I'm still a little young to be going through intense cycles such as those but I'm curious to see how you're doing after it man. Best of luck!

Thanks man. Still undecided actually. At this point I'm either doing one of 3 things

1.) Test E, cutting cycle
2.) Test P, cutting cycle
3.) Just waiting until later in life

Just gonna continue researching and figure it out for sure. Good call on waiting though man

[3day]

I would go with option 3 if i were you. Im 40 and just now into my first test cycle. Give yourself at least 2 or 3 more years and you will not regret it.

[Sheven]

Thanks man. Still undecided actually. At this point I'm either doing one of 3 things

1.) Test E, cutting cycle
2.) Test P, cutting cycle
3.) Just waiting until later in life

Just gonna continue researching and figure it out for sure. Good call on waiting though man

Don't forget 1mg of testosterone propionate is much more testosterone in your blood than 1mg of testosterone enanthate. if you plan to go with Test P, go with lower dosages. i don't recommend Test P for rookies however since i tend to believe its more detrimental on the HTPA.

[LambofGod2012]

Don't forget 1mg of testosterone propionate is much more testosterone in your blood than 1mg of testosterone enanthate. if you plan to go with Test P, go with lower dosages. i don't recommend Test P for rookies however since i tend to believe its more detrimental on the HTPA.

Thanks for the heads up man. I was sort of turned off by the EOD pinning of test P as well, so that just made that decision that much easier.

If I were to do test E for my contest prep, when exactly should I end the cycle, including PCT? I guess that is where I am most confused.

I've been doing tons of research, and from what I have figured out, if I do PCT during contest prep with the low calories, I am going to lose out on all the gains I could have possibly made. But, everyone seems to say you need to end the cycle a few weeks before the show because of the water retention. In that case, I will be in PCT at show time. Right?

[LambofGod2012]

I would go with option 3 if i were you. Im 40 and just now into my first test cycle. Give yourself at least 2 or 3 more years and you will not regret it.

You are probably right man. I am very 50/50 on whether to just wait for now

[LambofGod2012]

Hey dudes, decided to just wait on the juice for now. I decided I will just cut naturally for the show (maybe use clen.)

I figured after the shows I will consider doing a Test E only mass cycle. By that point in time I will almost be 23, will have done quite a bit more research, and can focus on just getting BIG, and not worrying about losing any gains.

At that point in time I am sure I will come back here for more help

Peace dudes

[TruRelign]

Hey dudes, decided to just wait on the juice for now. I decided I will just cut naturally for the show (maybe use clen.)

I figured after the shows I will consider doing a Test E only mass cycle. By that point in time I will almost be 23, will have done quite a bit more research, and can focus on just getting BIG, and not worrying about losing any gains.

At that point in time I am sure I will come back here for more help

Peace dudes

How did the cut go? Show is this month right?

[LambofGod2012]

How did the cut go? Show is this month right?

Just happened to stumble upon this old thread and saw your question lol.

But the cut went great! I cut naturally and took 1st in my class! 2nd in the overall! Was a really good first show, plan to do another show sometime in 2015. (sorry for bumping super old thread lol)

[3day]

Congrats!

[derekkpapa1]

Congrats too