When should one consider doing a TREN Cycle

[honeysingh]

hi all,

Just curious, How many cycles you should have under your belt before doing a tren acetate cycle.

I'm just looking for information for future. Is it the most powerful roid on market? How long does people run it for? How strong is it as compare to test e.


Thanks all

was wondering about all these questions.

[austinite]

Nothing set in stone. For me, I ran several test cycles. Then cycled some other compounds, then I ran tren. Generally it's a good idea to have a few cycles under your belt.

Read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!

[Lunk1]

Time it's ran is dependent on the ester Tren A or Tren E, It is considered 5X stronger than Test. Experience before Tren can vary on a number of different thing such as AAS knowledge, maturity, cyle history and so on.

[Sworder]

I would say that stats is the most important factor. If you are still under your "genetic potential" testosterone alone should have you growing a lot! You can only grow so much on a cycle, and if test can take you there. Why tren?

[austinite]

In my experience helping folks, lot's of first timers are geared towards tren for it's "Fat Burning" properties, nutrient partitioning if you will. Which I believe is the wrong reason to run tren if you are at a higher BF%. Waste of money. Not that OP is overweight, I haven't seen stats. Just a random statement.

[Sworder]

What do you think is preferable:
Running a testosterone cycle to cut or running a cycle with trenbolone to cut? Or neither..............

[honeysingh]

Thanks everybody.

Nah i am not overweight. I have heard a lot about tren, in my free time I just like to read about steroid profile to widen my knowledge. I have only done one cycle of Test E, in future i will def run tren , probably in my 5th cycle or so..

[Sworder]

What are your stats if you don't mind sharing?

[Lunk1]

My opinion..for what it's worth is that both can be used while cutting to help avoid muscle wasting on a calorie restricted diet. I like Test/tren to cut but I do agree it's not a replacement for diet and exercise

[honeysingh]

Nothing set in stone. For me, I ran several test cycles. Then cycled some other compounds, then I ran tren. Generally it's a good idea to have a few cycles under your belt.

Read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!

mind=blown, tren is 5 times stronger. I know guys who are running a gram per week. lol at this if its 5 times stronger, 5g of test is a lot.

[austinite]

What do you think is preferable:
Running a testosterone cycle to cut or running a cycle with trenbolone to cut? Or neither..............

incredibly broad question......

[honeysingh]

I have posted my states before,

196lbs at probably 15-18% bf, 5'10, thinking about running a test prop cycle for 8 weeks with 4 weeks of clen use to drop the bf.

[austinite]

I have posted my states before,

196lbs at probably 15-18% bf, 5'10, thinking about running a test prop cycle for 8 weeks with 4 weeks of clen use to drop the bf.

update your profile with your stats please. No one wants to search your previous threads to find your stats

[Sworder]

Yes, I know!
I think the compounds are good for like Lunk said. Saving muscle. But let's say you have 30 year old 20% BF that is dead set on a cycle. I mean, he won't really benefit a lot of "fat burning" effects from the testosterone. Also, he doesn't have a lot of muscle that needs saving so to speak. What do?

[honeysingh]

What kind of muscle gain can you expect from a 12 week tren acetate cycle at 400mg?

I am reading the article as well for the answer to the above question.

[P.Money]

I personally can't run tren, I have male pattern baldness I'd have a crown if I did that shit. I'd say that's a factor!

[Sworder]

What kind of muscle gain can you expect from a 12 week tren acetate cycle at 400mg?
I am reading the article as well for the answer to the above question.

It's not about the drugs, that's the thing! Drugs are such a small part of it. I have a friend that ran 3 cycles, two with Trenbolone. He is 174lbs still @ 5'10". Trust me, I have given him all the advice I can. DIET and TRAINING is your base. From that you can build a lot.

I wouldn't run trenbolone until you are down to 10% BF 190lbs:ish. There is just no point! Testosterone will give you everything you need still!

[honeysingh]

It's not about the drugs, that's the thing! Drugs are such a small part of it. I have a friend that ran 3 cycles, two with Trenbolone. He is 174lbs still @ 5'10". Trust me, I have given him all the advice I can. DIET and TRAINING is your base. From that you can build a lot.

I wouldn't run trenbolone until you are down to 10% BF 190lbs:ish. There is just no point! Testosterone will give you everything you need still!

Yep, I couldnt agree anymore. I remember my buddies telling me that how some guys gained 10 pounds on cycle then lost all of it. My first cycle was success, i gained 27 lbs, gained 1.5 inches on my arms. I gained 100lbs on bench press. I agree without proper diet and traning it would be a total mess.

[austinite]

Yes, I know!
I think the compounds are good for like Lunk said. Saving muscle. But let's say you have 30 year old 20% BF that is dead set on a cycle. I mean, he won't really benefit a lot of "fat burning" effects from the testosterone. Also, he doesn't have a lot of muscle that needs saving so to speak. What do?

Same could be said about any compound.

A guy who knows how to eat will cut better on a dbol/drol stack (not that I recommend that) than the guy who eats like shit on a test/tren stack.

Of course, everyone will benefit from tren's nutrient partitioning, and that would be just ideal if side effects weren't amplified at higher body fat. So that's where my statement above come in: "Which I believe is the wrong reason to run tren if you are at a higher BF%."

[Sworder]

Working on sculpting your body is a 24/7 thing. That's why it is so rewarding as well! It's one of the biggest challenges you can take and that is why so many people struggle. That's great results from a first cycle! I wouldn't suggest using trenbolone until you start getting closer to your natural potential. Just my opinion!

[Sworder]

Same could be said about any compound.

A guy who knows how to eat will cut better on a dbol/drol stack (not that I recommend that) than the guy who eats like shit on a test/tren stack.

Of course, everyone will benefit from tren's nutrient partitioning, and that would be just ideal if side effects weren't amplified at higher body fat. So that's where my statement above come in: "Which I believe is the wrong reason to run tren if you are at a higher BF%."

I agree.

[honeysingh]

Working on sculpting your body is a 24/7 thing. That's why it is so rewarding as well! It's one of the biggest challenges you can take and that is why so many people struggle. That's great results from a first cycle! I wouldn't suggest using trenbolone until you start getting closer to your natural potential. Just my opinion!

What other compound has no water gains, no bloat properties like tren does?

for beginner i guess

[Lunk1]

i agree.

x2....

[Sworder]

What other compound has no water gains, no bloat properties like tren does?
for beginner i guess

You always need a steroid that turns into estrogen in your cycle. Testosterone should be your bread and butter. If you want to add other compounds they will just dry you out for the moment. It's not a permanent thing, I have never been a fan of it. I like healthy joints and tendons so I try to keep some bloat.

[honeysingh]

In my next cycle I am aiming to drop at least 15-20 pounds of body fat(while gaining at least 10lbs of lbm), I wonder is it is possible with proper diet i.e. caloric deficient at 2500calories(100C, 300p, 100f), 30 min low pace cardio after every workout and clen use.

noob alert.

[Sworder]

Why noob alert? Gotta start somewhere..

I would focus first and foremost on cutting the bodyfat. When you are cutting you won't be able to gain muscle and I would try to use the drugs to help me cut all the fat really quick and then build from there with lean gains. In all honesty, you should be able to cut now as well. It's usually a problem of motivation and that's where guys hurt. But staying lean:ish is a 24/7 thing, not just on cycle! You are going to have to control your diet off-cycle and you can accomplish tons before your next cycle and then gain muscle!

[Lunk1]

Why noob alert? Gotta start somewhere..

I would focus first and foremost on cutting the bodyfat. When you are cutting you won't be able to gain muscle and I would try to use the drugs to help me cut all the fat really quick and then build from there with lean gains. In all honesty, you should be able to cut now as well. It's usually a problem of motivation and that's where guys hurt. But staying lean:ish is a 24/7 thing, not just on cycle! You are going to have to control your diet off-cycle and you can accomplish tons before your next cycle and then gain muscle!

I dont find this to be entirely true. If you eat just below maintanence and have a good work ethic in the gym recomp can happen.

[Sworder]

Yes, it can to an extent. I believe it to be best to focus on one or the other. The more drugs you use the more recomp you will get. Also, the more damage and stress you are putting on your body.

[Lunk1]

Yes, it can to an extent. I believe it to be best to focus on one or the other. The more drugs you use the more recomp you will get. Also, the more damage and stress you are putting on your body.

I agree it isn't easy but it is indeed doable!