Taking the Tren step

**Budly69** · 10-19-2012, 11:56 AM

Hey all, I havent posted in awhile and as I just got done reading my old posts I realize what a naieve dumbass I was when I first started here. Got my diet in check, got my workouts in order, ran a good first test cycle for 10 weeks and enjoyed it, then ran a 12 week test/winny/var cycle with a full compliment of Clen and T3 and loved every second of it. With my second cycle I didn't notice any side affects other than an occasional zit or two. I didn't lose a lot of weight per se' with my last cycle but I did cut up very well, put some muscle on (particularly in my bi's/tri's for what ever reason) and lost a considerable amount of visceral fat. And maybe I'm being greedy here but with my body's history of gladly accepting anything I give it with no sides I think Tren may do me very well.

The current stack I'm looking at is 100mg EOD Test Prop, Tren Ace, and Mast. While I think my BF% (around 15) is too high for Mast to be overly benefical its part of the blend with the test and tren so I figure what the hell. My first question is-which would be more beneficial to add to the stack, Winny or Var? I could throw both in if its not deemed to be too much for a noob like me but I would like one or the other. During my second cycle I didn't notice any joint pain that people complain of FYI.

My second question is-Can I throw Nolva in daily with such a cycle? On the home page it recommends Arimidex ED which I would gladly follow but to be honest the thought of gyno scares the holy hell out of me and from what I read Nolva is more effective at preventing gyno than Arimidex. Could I use them both ED in tandem or would that be counter productive (some people on here think so)? I just want to make absolutely sure I am going to be able to keep sides in check with this upcoming cycle since it will be far more potent that my last. I used Nolva daily on my test/winny/var cycle and it didn't seem to hurt anything, or maybe I was just being too optimistic.

Any and all thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated.

**Lunk1** · 10-19-2012, 11:59 AM

OK..Can we see the entire stats???

**Budly69** · 10-19-2012, 12:04 PM

Oh I'm sorry I forgot that part

27 years old
6'7
251 lbs (as of this morning)
right around 15% (estimate) BF
Been lifting for about 10 years, very seriously the last 4 or so
Am I forgetting anything?

**Lunk1** · 10-19-2012, 12:12 PM

6'7" 251...your Tree bro lol.

OK...
Assuming your BF% is 15% (most ppl guess MUCH lowere than it really is)
Tren and Test at 100 mg EOD is a great started for Tren and I am glad you are looking at short esters incase you need to bail on it.
Mast however IMO needs to be run a bit higher in the 500mg EW neighborhood.
Mast will assist the tren to work mor effectivly but do not expect to see any of the true hardening result from Mast at that BF%
Same with Var or Winnie (I would leave them out as you have a great cycle there and no reason to tax the liver when you wont really see the affects.

With Tren I would suggest Aromasin over Adex and have either Prami or Caber on hand. No need to run Nolva during just keep the estro in check and you will be fine

**Budly69** · 10-19-2012, 12:24 PM

My BF% is pretty accurate, I get it checked via bod pod at the local university every so often. That said I am well aware that my bf is too high for the Mast to be very beneficial but as stated before its coming in a 3 equal parts blend with the test and tren so I don't really have anyway to up the dose without buying more mast and remeasuring everything myself and I kinda wonder if it would be worth it. If you dont think the Var or Winny would do me any good I would gladly leave them out as that would save me a lot of money.

I have absolutely zero experience with Aromasin , Prami or Caber, can you please expand on them with any advice you feel necessary regarding doseages etc. I will start doing more research on them ASAP but I've found that info tends to vary and guys with real life experiences are the best bet.

**Lunk1** · 10-19-2012, 12:31 PM

Start by reading this...
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!

If it is a blend then so be it. I much prefer to saty away from blends dor that exact reason...no way to adjust dosages. No doubt you will still have great results from that and as I said there is still a very small benifit to mast in the stack because of the way it assists the compounds.

Defenitly save the $ on the orals though...

Prami and Caber will be kept on hand incase of prolactin issues (which should not be an issue if E2 is regulated)

Aromasin at 12.5mg eod should be sufficent moniter and adjust!

**Budly69** · 10-19-2012, 12:33 PM

As I am reading on Prami I think it will be the one I use, what are your thoughts on daily doseages? Are they critical or can I just use as needed, keep in mind I'm a fvcking hyopcondriact (i know I murdered the spelling on that word) when it comes to side affects.

**Lunk1** · 10-19-2012, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Budly69

As I am reading on Prami I think it will be the one I use, what are your thoughts on daily doseages? Are they critical or can I just use as needed, keep in mind I'm a fvcking hyopcondriact (i know I murdered the spelling on that word) when it comes to side affects.

No..again, Prami like Caber is there simply if prolactin issues arise. Concentrate on keeping estro controlled and you will be fine. You are talking a relitively low dose so no worries.

**Budly69** · 10-19-2012, 12:43 PM

Right on man, thanks for the info.

**Lunk1** · 10-19-2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Budly69

Right on man, thanks for the info.

Best of luck..holler if ya need any help!

**OnTheSauce** · 10-19-2012, 01:15 PM

I use caber the whole way through, .5mg e3d. I don't wait for a problem to occur. Only downside to this is the akward uncontrollable hard ons all day

**Lunk1** · 10-19-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

I use caber the whole way through, .5mg e3d. I don't wait for a problem to occur. Only downside to this is the akward uncontrollable hard ons all day

LOL..Your using Caber all the way through for the porn star sized explosions...don't sugar coat it lol

**OnTheSauce** · 10-19-2012, 03:34 PM

Tren makes me last forever. No ed problems, but can't bust. Which is awful when u have the cardio and endurance of someone living on mcdonalds. Caber is a must

**Budly69** · 10-19-2012, 07:26 PM

Hey dudes one more thing while its on my mind, I have to be in a wedding in Vegas about half way through my cycle. I will be pinning EOD, if I fly out Thursday morning and back Sunday morning can I just double pin right before I leave Thursday and then pick back up again monday? I'm not going to fly with AAS, out of the question for this guy.