Revised Test E Tren A Cycle. Thoughts please..

[voshi]

Hey guys,

I posted my Test E Tren A cycle a little while ago. Just thought I'd post my newly revised plan.

Weeks 1 - 10: Test E 500mg week
Weeks 1 - 8: Tren A 350mg week

12.5mg Aromasin ED
0.5mg Cabergoline E3D

PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50
(Should I continue AI throughout PCT? always a 50/50 debate on this)

Also I am trying to get hold of HCG for either throughout cycle or pre PCT. Depending how much I can get or if I can get any at all. I've recovered fine off Tren (200mg week) before without HCG.

Tell me your thoughts!

Voshi

[Lunk1]

I would reverse your tren and run it the last 8 weeks since you are using long estered test and short estered tren. Give the test time to start up before adding the tren.

While there is nothing that says you can't, I prefer to keep the Caber on hand and only use it if necessary.

No need for the extre week of Nolva @ 10mg and stop the AI after last injection.

HCG is nice to run during cycle if you can get it at 250iu X2 per week

[voshi]

Makes sense.. I'll run the tren weeks 3 - 10 then. As for the caber, I've been reading alot that e3d on cycle has been effective for some at reducing the insomnia and night sweat sides. these are the only sides I get off Tren and I've never tried caber so I'll give it a go and see what it does for me.

Cheers for the advice!

[Lunk1]

Makes sense.. I'll run the tren weeks 3 - 10 then. As for the caber, I've been reading alot that e3d on cycle has been effective for some at reducing the insomnia and night sweat sides. these are the only sides I get off Tren and I've never tried caber so I'll give it a go and see what it does for me.

Cheers for the advice!

Caber will not help with those sides...if it did, we would ALL be using Caber on cycle lol.

[armyranger516862006]

You could bump up the Test E to 12 weeks and Kickstart with an Oral for the first 4 weeks. Then do what Lunk said and run the Tren last 8 weeks.

[Lunk1]

You could bump up the Test E to 12 weeks and Kickstart with an Oral for the first 4 weeks. Then do what Lunk said and run the Tren last 8 weeks.

This is a solid rec. as well. I missed the 10 weeks vs 12 weeks. I would run it that long even if you choose not to use any kickstart. Thanks AR!

[stpete]

Lunk beats me to everything and again he has it right.

But if you're dead set on test e, why not run it for 12-14 weeks? Start that tren at week 3- 4 and run for duration?

Melatonin helps me w/night sweats.

[Lunk1]

Lunk beats me to everything and again he has it right.

But if you're dead set on test e, why not run it for 12-14 weeks? Start that tren at week 3- 4 and run for duration?

Melatonin helps me w/night sweats.

Just trying to earn my keep a bit Pete.

Besides..plenty of time on my hands at work

[voshi]

I've got 30ml of test e so I can run it that long and I'll start the tren at week 4 then...
As for an oral kickstart.. I'm currently in month 3 of a 7 month course of Accutane so I won't be touching any Oral's unfortunately.

[Lunk1]

Assuming your test is 250mg/ML

2ML per week = 500mg

2ML X 12 weeks = 24 ML (needed)

Plus residual wast...you are golden pony boy

[voshi]

yeah I've got 3 x 10ml so maybe even run for 14 I don't know. any thoughts on front loading for the first week or 2? something else I can't seem to find a definate answer on. Some say to front load with longer esters if there's no oral kick start. I've read pros and cons of this from a few vets.. recs?

[Lunk1]

yeah I've got 3 x 10ml so maybe even run for 14 I don't know. any thoughts on front loading for the first week or 2? something else I can't seem to find a definate answer on. Some say to front load with longer esters if there's no oral kick start. I've read pros and cons of this from a few vets.. recs?

Over rated...It will help get to a stable level quicker but it's not like it gives you some boost you would not otherwise have gotten.

Yes you could go 14 weeks..just keep a close eye on estro levels. I like that you chose mason...

[voshi]

Well I've run arimidex on my previous 2 cycles so I thought I'd give aromas in a go. I've read good things. is it worth me front loading then? I mean I've got 4 ml extra so...

[measuretwicecutonce]

I would reverse your tren and run it the last 8 weeks since you are using long estered test and short estered tren. Give the test time to start up before adding the tren.

While there is nothing that says you can't, I prefer to keep the Caber on hand and only use it if necessary.

No need for the extre week of Nolva @ 10mg and stop the AI after last injection.

HCG is nice to run during cycle if you can get it at 250iu X2 per week

+1, and front load the test as well.

[measuretwicecutonce]

even better would be running prop. throughout with the tren ace ester. or tren e ester with the test e.

[voshi]

front load it is. any idea on how much to front load for how long? no experience here

[Lunk1]

front load it is. any idea on how much to front load for how long? no experience here

Front loading is not only not necessary and not really for begginer or intermediate use....Don't try so damn hard... concentrate on the basics!

[voshi]

see this is where I'm in 2 minds about it. someone says one thing someone says another. I've read alot about the benifits so I dunno. not trying hard bro just wana make use of what I've got the best I can.. u know

[Lunk1]

see this is where I'm in 2 minds about it. someone says one thing someone says another. I've read alot about the benifits so I dunno. not trying hard bro just wana make use of what I've got the best I can.. u know

I hear ya...but believe me the only benifit to the frontload is to stabalize levels a (little) sooner and you just dont need it. If you really feel the need to do it..knock yourself out and I promise you will wonder what benifit there was to it. If you think it's going to give you bigger or better gains, it won't. It simply brings you to level sooner.

[voshi]

alright I'll leave it simple. cheers for the advice guys!

[Perseverance1]

Based on the awesome tren thread I read on these forums (I'd link it but I'm on my phone) I would suggest you lower your test by half...maybe more. Even if you decide not to lower your test you should still read the tren thread....one of the best reads on this forum.

[Lunk1]

Based on the awesome tren thread I read on these forums (I'd link it but I'm on my phone) I would suggest you lower your test by half...maybe more. Even if you decide not to lower your test you should still read the tren thread....one of the best reads on this forum.

It is great sticky and provides valuable info but keep in mind that with Tren there are a number of different ways to skin a cat per se and not everyone reacts the same. While I advocate the test lower than tren as well, it's not the best for everyone.

Some feel better on higher or equal parts test. Please read, listen and make an educated decision based on every fact.

[voshi]

great read alright. last time (first time) I ran tren I ran it at only 175 a week with 500 test.. let me say that while only a very small amount.. the tren characteristics where unbelievable. I've always felt better with an equal or slightly higher dose of test to other compounds. I'd like to see how 350mg tren goes and maybe next time experiment with lower test. thanks for all the comments, very helpful!

[Lunk1]

great read alright. last time (first time) I ran tren I ran it at only 175 a week with 500 test.. let me say that while only a very small amount.. the tren characteristics where unbelievable. I've always felt better with an equal or slightly higher dose of test to other compounds. I'd like to see how 350mg tren goes and maybe next time experiment with lower test. thanks for all the comments, very helpful!

Why don't ya post up the new revised cycle then and let's see what ya have in mind after all this talk lol.

[voshi]

righto here goes...

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg week
Week 5-12: Tren A 350mg week

12.5mg Aromasin ED
Caber on hand if needed

PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

HCG throughout cycle or before pct IF I can get some.

Voila!

[Lunk1]

Pretty damn good Danielson (in my best Mr. Miagi voice)

[voshi]

sweet.. final check up with my endo and game on! this one has been a long time coming.
cheers for all the input!