Peptides as an Alternative?

[SportbikerKid]

Would peptides be a good alternatives for advanced younger lifters looking for an edge? Peptides such as ghrp, grf, igf, and GH fragments, do not affect the HPTA which is the primary concern of younger guys starting AAS.

It seems like a cycle of Ipamorelin and mod-grf with igf1-lr3 taken post-workout would give great results as opposed to staying natty. Why is a cycle like this not standardly recommended for younger lifters who are set on using some type of chemical enhancement?

[fit2bOld]

Even these type of alternative have their drawbacks and can impact natural function. My best advice is going to still be diet making sure your getting the proper macros to grow. It's not going to happen if your doing pizza, fast food etc. Good basics like protein and creatine are essential to build muscle.

[Times Roman]

peps will be slower to provide benefit, yet those benefits will be retained much longer.

the cost per benefit relative to aas will be much higher. much lower than hgh, though.

if you are looking for a secretague to stimulate the pituatary to release gh, oral secretagues might be a good first step, such as

arginine
gaba
(glutamine)

i put brackets around the glutamine since i feel the efffects are fairly week

[SportbikerKid]

@fit. I am definitley unaware that peptides can "impact natural function." I'm not exactly sure what that means, so i guess i'll have to do a little more research haha. I also realize that diet is essential, and am trying to gear this discussion towards advanced lifters who have already had diet in check for years.

@Roman. I always thought l-arganine and gaba were BS supps; however since you endorse them, i might have to give them a try. Since I believe you're one of the most knowlegable members on the forum, it would be awesome if you could answer a few peptide-related questions for me:
-the goal of ghrp, ipamorelin, cjc is obviously to stimulate growth hormone production. Since GH is already fairly high in us younger guys, would these peptides have less of an effect on us?
-also is there any reason to cycle ipamorelin and cjc? It seems to me like you would be fine just staying on indefinitely

Thanks much!

[Times Roman]

@fit. I am definitley unaware that peptides can "impact natural function." I'm not exactly sure what that means, so i guess i'll have to do a little more research haha. I also realize that diet is essential, and am trying to gear this discussion towards advanced lifters who have already had diet in check for years.

@Roman. I always thought l-arganine and gaba were BS supps; however since you endorse them, i might have to give them a try. Since I believe you're one of the most knowlegable members on the forum, it would be awesome if you could answer a few peptide-related questions for me:
-the goal of ghrp, ipamorelin, cjc is obviously to stimulate growth hormone production. Since GH is already fairly high in us younger guys, would these peptides have less of an effect on us?
-also is there any reason to cycle ipamorelin and cjc? It seems to me like you would be fine just staying on indefinitely

Thanks much!

there is an interesting, but unfortunate observation with oral secretagues such as arginine and gaba. GH production, just like testosterone production, tapers off as we age. But the body responds better to ORAL secretagues the younger you are. Conversly, as you age, oral secretagues become LESS effective. So much so, that by the time you are in your mid 40's, not much additional GH release can be had by squeezing the pituatary with orals.

Yes. Your body is producing substantial amounts of GH as a youngster. However, you are confusing exogeneous GH administration with additional indogeneous GH release. When you pin exogeneous GH, my understanding is that for a very short while, your body will halt additional GH release. But when you take a secretague, my understanding is this is not the case. So with indogeneous production (by taking a secretague), you get the benefit of the GH you ordinarily would have had, PLUS the additional amount you get from stimulating the pituatary by taking a secretague.

this is the same scenerio with taking ghrp and related class of peps. since these are ultimately secretagues, you get this layered effect of the amount you ordinarily would have released, plus the additional amount coaxed out of the pituatary by the ghrp.

With the ghrp/cjc combo, you can effectively get the equivalent of about 4 to 5 iu's a day of exegenous GH. Additionally, although i have never heard of any need to cycle the ghrp class of peps, I would still take a break every once in a while. Considering the minimum course should be 6 months, it might be advisableto take a one month break after 6 months on.

IMO, the best oral secretagues are as follows in descending order of significance:

Arginine
GABA
(glutamine)

Let me know if this answers your question?

[Times Roman]

btw. you are 24 and are g2g with taking any peps!

[SportbikerKid]

My age shows up as 24?! Last time I checked people were saying it showed up as 18... I think something's glitched. I'm actually 20.

Great info man! Surprisingly, I've been having trouble finding solid information on cycle lengths and I think you got that question straightened out. I believe i saw you were running a peptide log a while ago, so i might have to go check that out now haha.

Thx for taking so much time to type all that up, I really can't tell you how much this has helped!

[Sworder]

With the ghrp/cjc combo, you can effectively get the equivalent of about 4 to 5 iu's a day of exegenous GH. Additionally, although i have never heard of any need to cycle the ghrp class of peps, I would still take a break every once in a while. Considering the minimum course should be 6 months, it might be advisableto take a one month break after 6 months on.

I never knew that! What protocol would you run to achieve this?

[Times Roman]

My age shows up as 24?! Last time I checked people were saying it showed up as 18... I think something's glitched. I'm actually 20.

Great info man! Surprisingly, I've been having trouble finding solid information on cycle lengths and I think you got that question straightened out. I believe i saw you were running a peptide log a while ago, so i might have to go check that out now haha.

Thx for taking so much time to type all that up, I really can't tell you how much this has helped!

take a look at TWO Ages for some reason?

I never knew that! What protocol would you run to achieve this?

on an empty stomach, taken 3x a day, both in combo,
when you wake
sometime in the middle of the day
right before bed

100mcg each ghrp-6 and cjc1295

you can mix both in the same syringe
pin subQ
wait at least 15+ minutes after pinning before eating

[SportbikerKid]

Well a research site was having a huge sale, so I'm now stocked up on 30mg of each and ready to try this out! I'm pretty stoked because the ghrp was about 1/8 the price that ar-r charges for it. The cjc was about 1/3.

Also, I'm guessing the 18-25 year old section was a bust? I was looking forward to posting frequently in there.

[t-dogg]

take a look at TWO Ages for some reason?



on an empty stomach, taken 3x a day, both in combo,
when you wake
sometime in the middle of the day
right before bed

100mcg each ghrp-6 and cjc1295

you can mix both in the same syringe
pin subQ
wait at least 15+ minutes after pinning before eating

Interesting. I wonder which overall is cheaper to run.

[Sworder]

on an empty stomach, taken 3x a day, both in combo,
when you wake
sometime in the middle of the day
right before bed

100mcg each ghrp-6 and cjc1295

you can mix both in the same syringe
pin subQ
wait at least 15+ minutes after pinning before eating

How do you know that you will pin at the right moment to stimulate a GH pulse?

[austinite]

Aren't you the kid that has zero cycle experience yet tells people that "you know for a fact their gear is underdosed" ?

[SportbikerKid]

Interesting. I wonder which overall is cheaper to run.

are you asking if peptides are cheaper than GH?

The dosing protocol laid out by TR is about 3 USD a day.
GH...well...you know, 3 bucks will barely buy you 1 IU.

[SportbikerKid]

Aren't you the kid that has zero cycle experience yet tells people that "you know for a fact their gear is underdosed" ?

yes ma'am

[austinite]

yes ma'am

Worthless... stop wasting everyones time.

[t-dogg]

Overall Im assuming hgh is still a better way to go correct times?

Ive sorta been looking at peptides more, but I keep thinking hgh is still the way to go.

[SportbikerKid]

well here's a rough comparison. I found similar data on 2 other websites so I assume this graph is nearly correct

[Times Roman]

Overall Im assuming hgh is still a better way to go correct times?

Ive sorta been looking at peptides more, but I keep thinking hgh is still the way to go.

in an ideal situation, I would prefer peptides. You can show me all the graphs and charts, but if everything being equal, the GH that I make internally is preferable to exogenous GH. I'm not convinced that the peps live up to all the hype though. In my mind, the jury is still out on that one.

Please understand I have never taken GH yet. Concerns of bogus and cost are primarily why.

How do you know that you will pin at the right moment to stimulate a GH pulse?

I have my stop watch syncronized to the atomic clock in Geneva Switzerland. =)

j/k - actually, the timing is fairly forgiving, and if you pin as i described, you will be fine.

Interesting. I wonder which overall is cheaper to run.

Peptides are cheaper. For the most part, they will always be cheaper than GH

[t-dogg]

Thanks times. Intersting because ghrp seems interesting. As cost and finding real hgh is always a issue.