Help: Erectyle dysfuction while on cycle

**ontour** · 10-20-2012, 06:45 PM

I was on a mild cycle of Prop (only 225mg/week) and Primo (400mg/week) for 10 weeks before starting my current cycle which I would consider my heaviest one yet (my 7th cycle I think). I'm 10 days into it:
Sustanon - 1000mg/week
EQ - 500mg/week
nandrolone - 100mg/week
Anadrol - 50mg/day
letro - .25mg/day (that's all I had, otherwise I would normally do Adex)

During my light "bridge" I started get some erectile dysfunction, but I thought it would go away when I upped my test for this new cycle. It hasn't gotten any better, and possibly worse since I'm thinking about it all the time.

Will some simple simple over the counter stuff like Tribulus, Maca powder, HCGenerate, D-Aspartic Acid, or Forged Steel help me? Or do I need to come off of cycle and reset to get my with some real HCG , clomid, and Nolva? I'm concerned that maybe my HPTA has shut down, but I don't know much about it.

**kmms** · 10-20-2012, 07:10 PM

Hey man I don't know about your cycle related ED but as far as OTC stuff goes, I think nearly every western adult male would benefit from a zinc supplement taken before crashing out for the night. 30-60mg or more based on your weight will definitely help put some lead in your pencil. Most western diets are deficient.

**senorrebo** · 10-20-2012, 07:17 PM

Niacin can be helpful. I've taken high doses of niacin before (never for ED) and be forewarned; it can make you itch your ass off. 1500 mgs seems to be fairly commonly recommended.

**stpete** · 10-20-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by ontour

I was on a mild cycle of Prop (only 225mg/week) and Primo (400mg/week) for 10 weeks before starting my current cycle which I would consider my heaviest one yet (my 7th cycle I think). I'm 10 days into it:
Sustanon - 1000mg/week
EQ - 500mg/week
nandrolone - 100mg/week
Anadrol - 50mg/day
letro - .25mg/day (that's all I had, otherwise I would normally do Adex)

During my light "bridge" I started get some erectile dysfunction, but I thought it would go away when I upped my test for this new cycle. It hasn't gotten any better, and possibly worse since I'm thinking about it all the time.

Will some simple simple over the counter stuff like Tribulus, Maca powder, HCGenerate, D-Aspartic Acid, or Forged Steel help me? Or do I need to come off of cycle and reset to get my with some real HCG, clomid, and Nolva? I'm concerned that maybe my HPTA has shut down, but I don't know much about it.

No need to stop cycle. Lower the letro to EOD. Start HCG at 250 iu's e3d to PCT. Your OTC stuff is garbage imo.

**kmms** · 10-20-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

No need to stop cycle. Lower the letro to EOD. Start HCG at 250 iu's e3d to PCT. Your OTC stuff is garbage imo.

Plenty of peer reviewed studies to back up zinc for ED.

**Rwy** · 10-20-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by kmms

Plenty of peer reviewed studies to back up zinc for ED.

Think he was talking about the HCGenrate etc. There are other boards that have mods who push that nonesense as suitable pct

**ontour** · 10-20-2012, 09:57 PM

Thanks for the help so far. The main issue right now is that I can't get my hands on any HCG because of where I'm currently traveling. If there's anything over the counter like zinc and niacin that helps that would be my first attempt. Otherwise, I've already gotten in touch with a buddy back home to see if he can ship HCG to me faster than I can find a source for it out here.

**warmouth** · 10-20-2012, 10:08 PM

StPete, do you think this OPs problem could stem from elevated E2 levels? The Letro could possibly be bunk or not Letro at all? I am not saying it is, but since you are the mod responding, doyou think this is a possibility? I had similar issues until I started liquidex(cycle from months ago) and it helped right away.

**73mustang** · 10-21-2012, 02:54 AM

Zinc and Niacin are both awesome, I take zinc everyday, have you considered Cialis ? It's not as intense as Viagra, but it does last about three days, when it's go time and you've popped one of those little beauties, watch the hell out ! Give it a try, I think you will be pleasantly surprised...

**kmms** · 10-21-2012, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rwy

Think he was talking about the HCGenrate etc. There are other boards that have mods who push that nonesense as suitable pct

could be, i don't have any opinion on hcgenrate though as i've never used it. zinc on the other hand, if your diet is deficient, should be called an essential mineral rather than just a supplement. zinc absolutely makes my immune system stronger, helps with morning wood, minimizes the extent and severity of things like influenza when you run across a nasty version, improves the quality of my sleep when taken an hour or so before bed time etc. i'm glad this thread came up because i ran out yesterday and needed a reminder to go back and get another month supply.

**lovbyts** · 10-21-2012, 04:10 AM

I was just reading earlier tonight about zinc and cooper being an important part of test and E2 conversion.

If estrogen is an accelerator of mineral uptake into the body, it can have opposite effects. Zinc accelerates thyroidal function and copper slows it down. When copper gets deficient, the thyroid produces excessive hormone and hyperthyroidism results. The balance of zinc and copper is important in maintaining normal thyroid function and the proper ratio seems to be about 5:1 for females and 10:1 or higher for males.

If the diet has a zinc/copper ratio which is too high, which is pretty much characteristic of some diets, estrogen can have an accelerative effect of causing this zn/cu imbalance in the body to get too high and causing hyperthyroidism. If the zinc/copper ratio is too low, then estrogen can have the opposite effect, of causing the body to incorporate too much copper and not enough zinc and thereby slowing the thyroid too much. This may be the most prevalent situation since there are more people with hypothyroidism than hyperthyroidism.

**kmms** · 10-21-2012, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I was just reading earlier tonight about zinc and cooper being an important part of test and E2 conversion.

If estrogen is an accelerator of mineral uptake into the body, it can have opposite effects. Zinc accelerates thyroidal function and copper slows it down. When copper gets deficient, the thyroid produces excessive hormone and hyperthyroidism results. The balance of zinc and copper is important in maintaining normal thyroid function and the proper ratio seems to be about 5:1 for females and 10:1 or higher for males.

If the diet has a zinc/copper ratio which is too high, which is pretty much characteristic of some diets, estrogen can have an accelerative effect of causing this zn/cu imbalance in the body to get too high and causing hyperthyroidism. If the zinc/copper ratio is too low, then estrogen can have the opposite effect, of causing the body to incorporate too much copper and not enough zinc and thereby slowing the thyroid too much. This may be the most prevalent situation since there are more people with hypothyroidism than hyperthyroidism.

western diets with packaged and processed foods are also zinc deficient. i eat a pretty well balanced diet but can't "stomach" eating organs and allergic to shellfish so meat based zinc is not my strongest play. i do eat a couple handsfull of pumpkin seeds every day but that's not enough so i supplement with at least 30mg daily

**lovbyts** · 10-21-2012, 06:04 AM

I LOVE shellfish and eat shrimp at least a couple times a week as well as crab and a mix of other things. I wish I could throw lobster in a at least one a week. lol
Pumpkin seeds? I didn't think of that. I have a couple pounds drying at home right now I just took out of our pumpkins due to Halloween. I mostly planned on saving some for re planting and drying some to eat but didnt think about the zinc.
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/zinc.php

**ds53** · 10-21-2012, 07:26 AM

Tribulus, Horny Goat Weed, Pumpkin Seed Extract, Arginine. There are many combo over the counter for Men's sexuality out there and they work fairly well. If you have it bad then you are going to need Viagra or Cialis, sometimes ed can be so bad that these products can have a tough time working as well. Good erections will come back in about two weeks after cycle is over and get better over the following month. Proviron at the end of cycle will help restore drive and function as well.

**kmms** · 10-21-2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I LOVE shellfish and eat shrimp at least a couple times a week as well as crab and a mix of other things. I wish I could throw lobster in a at least one a week. lol
Pumpkin seeds? I didn't think of that. I have a couple pounds drying at home right now I just took out of our pumpkins due to Halloween. I mostly planned on saving some for re planting and drying some to eat but didnt think about the zinc.
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/zinc.php

fortunately for me pumpkin is a staple crop here and quite cheap. just bought one at tesco today for less than 50thb. i think 500gr of roasted seed is about 250thb in the store so going the whole pumpkin route is obviously the best choice for me here. 1 handful goes into my post workout fruit salad and another handful for a mid day snack.

**ontour** · 10-22-2012, 04:47 PM

I'm trying to clean up my diet as much as I can given the fact that I'm traveling. Besides that I just plan to alter my letro level a little to see if the estrogen is getting a little unbalanced.

**fatman225** · 10-22-2012, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by ontour

I'm trying to clean up my diet as much as I can given the fact that I'm traveling. Besides that I just plan to alter my letro level a little to see if the estrogen is getting a little unbalanced.

The first thing that stood out to me was the letro dose. Letro is very strong as an AI.

When I think of letro I think of powerlifter with high bodyfat and bad gyno on 2 grams a week of test who suddenly realizes his BP is 210/126 from holding more water than sea world kind of E2 levels.

Careful with that stuff.

**ontour** · 10-22-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by fatman225

The first thing that stood out to me was the letro dose. Letro is very strong as an AI.

Careful with that stuff.

I'm aware and it wouldn't be my first choice if I had more resources while traveling. I'm switching to a low dose EOD. On a side note, Letro did help me get rid of mild gyno in an earlier cycle I did back before I knew to be taking an AI the whole cycle. About 10 weeks in I got gyno and after about 5 weeks of letro at a basically full dose I knocked out the gyno along with my sex drive, haha.