Cycle Help Please

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 10:08 AM

hey guys
this will my very first cycle that i will be running, i am planning to do Dbol and Test 600
i am planning to do 10-12 week cycle
I just need help with how many Mg of Dbol and test600 should i take a day or week
after my cycle is done how long should i wait to do my PCT?
my pct cycle will be Nolvadex
i will take 40mg for first 2 week then 20mg for last two week

does it sound right guys? please post any advice or any help
Thank you very much guys.

**austinite** · 10-22-2012, 10:11 AM

Welcome friend.

What are your full stats?

Also, are you referring to test 600 and dbol from the banner above?

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 10:15 AM

yes i am reffering to them from the banner above

160lb, around 10-12% bf, 21year old, let me know if u need anything else
please give me advice on my cycle i posted above
thank you

**Noles12** · 10-22-2012, 10:16 AM

Unless you are under 5'6 I would advise you to work on your diet and training a little more first. You have not built much of a base IMO.

**austinite** · 10-22-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

yes i am reffering to them from the banner above

160lb, around 10-12% bf, 21year old, let me know if u need anything else
please give me advice on my cycle i posted above
thank you

Ok. Those come with instructions buddy. Just follow the instructions on the bottle. Make sure you visit the nutrition section for diet critique. Without proper diet you will not see results.

Good luck.

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 02:26 PM

im 5'8 and i have built a good base, i am 10% bf and my strength is also good.
by the way, is there difference taking injection or pills, one is more effective then other?
or its the same thing?
when people say 10mgs or 100mgs they talk about injection or pills just wondering
thank you

**austinite** · 10-22-2012, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

im 5'8 and i have built a good base, i am 10% bf and my strength is also good.
by the way, is there difference taking injection or pills, one is more effective then other?
or its the same thing?
when people say 10mgs or 100mgs they talk about injection or pills just wondering
thank you

Yes there is a difference. The pills you're referring to are Steroid Alternatives . They're legal and safe.

mg's are used to measure both injectables and pills.

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 03:00 PM

Buddy those steroids up on the banner act more like supplements..(just so you dont think your taking real gear an be dissapointed by rersults)

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 03:04 PM

Ohh ok lol yeah i was thinking they are the real steriods lol
then i am assuming they are not as effective as the real ones am i correct? and u dont even need to cycle them i am guessing? or have pct for them?

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 03:07 PM

if you guys can, will you please tell me how many mg of dbol and test prop i should take for 8-12 week cycle?
i am talking about real steriods this time lol not the banner ones
so dbol and test prop 12week cycle
PCT is nolvadex 40mg for first two week then 20mg second two week and thats the end

i just need to know how many mg should i take for dbol and test prop and how many days a week
thank you very much

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

if you guys can, will you please tell me how many mg of dbol and test prop i should take for 8-12 week cycle?
i am talking about real steriods this time lol not the banner ones
so dbol and test prop 12week cycle
PCT is nolvadex 40mg for first two week then 20mg second two week and thats the end

i just need to know how many mg should i take for dbol and test prop and how many days a week
thank you very much

That depends on individual goals mostly and prior cycle experiences.

Based on your questions this far, you should spend more time reading and learning before taking anything. Hormone manipulation isn't something to be taken lightly and can carry significant short and long term risks.

If someone came to you and said, "I've never driven a car before but I feel I am ready. What's the difference between the left and right peddles on the floor and oh by they way, can I have your car to go for a ride"........would you feel safe bout handing this guy the keys to your car? This is essentially what you are asking!

Before dumping chemicals into your body that will affect your normal functions, spend more time reading and learning about various steroids and differences between injections and orals.

You clearly aren't ready to do something that could affect you for life!

**austinite** · 10-22-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

Ohh ok lol yeah i was thinking they are the real steriods lol
then i am assuming they are not as effective as the real ones am i correct? and u dont even need to cycle them i am guessing? or have pct for them?

no pct needed. just follow instructions on bottles.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 10-22-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

Ohh ok lol yeah i was thinking they are the real steriods lol
then i am assuming they are not as effective as the real ones am i correct? and u dont even need to cycle them i am guessing? or have pct for them?

and how old are you?

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 05:59 PM

We'll need your stats. Age?
Bf?
Years lifting?
Cycle experience?
Diet? and your goals

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 06:23 PM

u can still find steriods in pill form tho right? or all of them are in injection form?
i am not talking about the banner on the top by the way

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 06:27 PM

Test P that your talking about is injection and you can take dbol that you were talking about in pill form

**PillarofBalance** · 10-22-2012, 06:32 PM

There are steroids in pill form, and there are injectables. However you need a testosterone foundation for your cycle when running an oral. You can't run just oral steroids as they leave your body with no testosterone. That is not optimal for muscle building.

Spend some more time reading. YOu don't know what you're doing yet. I'm not the first to say it here.

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 06:47 PM

so u cant do oral cycle forever? cuz i know that pill is much better to take then injection which takes time and much more expensive u know
and what u mean it will leave my body with no testosterone ? if u pct it comes back to normal right

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 06:49 PM

No. Oral has to go through your system and that makes it liver toxic and you really would just want to take oral for 1-4 weeks to keep from getting sides. I just did a injection this morning last minute, takes at the most 3 minutes(being safe).

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 07:23 PM

oh aight, thanks a lot man i appreciate it, but u have to keep buying new needle for injection or u can use same one? like keep one for dbol and one for test prop?
u know any site that can show injection instruction and method and stuff, just wana read up and look up more stuff before i really get into it u know
plus u know how much would it cost like estimate? for 12week dbol and test prop? then 4 week PCT nolvadex ? estimate would be nice man thanks alot

**losieloos** · 10-22-2012, 07:30 PM

Read read and do more reading

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 07:34 PM

yeah i am doing it bro, but just some instruction on injection would be nice
plus for my first cycle test and dbol would be nice? i just need to know
how many mg a day and for how long i am thinking 12 week then PCT nolvadex
any information would be appreciated
thank a lot guys

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 07:35 PM

Alright.. First: dont inject dbol , if you have liquid, drink 20mgs twice a day, if you have a pill, take 40-50mgs ed for 1-4 weeks at the beginning of the cycle to help kickstart. Then week 1-12 test prop 400mgs/week. Please do not use the same needle, you'll need maybe 18g 1 1/2in. needle to draw(can reuse that just keep sterile) but have 23g 1 1/2 in. needle to inject but never reuse the same needle as you inject. Needles may cost around 40$ for 100 needles.. The gear itself differents to where you get it from, for me this cycle would cost around 530$ but thats a little expensive you can find cheaper.

**MuscleInk** · 10-22-2012, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

oh aight, thanks a lot man i appreciate it, but u have to keep buying new needle for injection or u can use same one? like keep one for dbol and one for test prop?
u know any site that can show injection instruction and method and stuff, just wana read up and look up more stuff before i really get into it u know
plus u know how much would it cost like estimate? for 12week dbol and test prop? then 4 week PCT nolvadex? estimate would be nice man thanks alot

You are going to do a tremendous amount of damage to yourself based on the lack of knowledge you're displaying.

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 07:36 PM

An yes use pct if you wanna keep your gains and not have a limp dick lol

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 07:44 PM

I smell bacon or ignorance. OP, just stick to the banner up top for the first go around with this. There is no need to go at this as uneducated as you are coming off. We are here to help teach, but it is up to you to learn. Dont overcomplicate things and try the stuff up top. What is your age and goals? The steriod alternatives up top have done wonders for many people and are a great place to get your feet wet. We all want you to educte yourself to make sure you are safe, and from what I am getting from your posts is that you are not familiar with these compounds enough to use them YET. You came to the right place, but take your time and browse around a bit before jumping in. Good Luck!

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 07:44 PM

ok thanks i appreciate it
thank you very much
how much of a difference u think it is taking the pills from the banner on top and injection from steriods ?
like major difference in gains?

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anxnymous

An yes use pct if you wanna keep your gains and not have a limp dick lol

There is alot more to it than that.

**Anxnymous** · 10-22-2012, 07:48 PM

Good luck bro.(you can find the best information about the dosages and gear information right here on steroid .com)

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 08:00 PM

is there a major difference based on gains when it comes to pills and injections?
and if i am taking pills i am guessing i dont have to worry about cycling and PCT and if i want to stop i can stop whenever or start whenever?

**Noles12** · 10-22-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

is there a major difference based on gains when it comes to pills and injections?
and if i am taking pills i am guessing i dont have to worry about cycling and PCT and if i want to stop i can stop whenever or start whenever?

Completely wrong. You need test. Any AAS wil shut down your natural production including orals. Therefore you need to replace this lack of natural testosterone with synthetic testosterone. THis is why we suggest test as the base of every cycle

**socomftb234** · 10-22-2012, 08:36 PM

by the way oral cannot be taking or longterm goal right?
i mean what if u cycle oral steriods then PCT, then cycle oral and PCT if u continue u think its possible or no?
thanks a lot man

**warmouth** · 10-22-2012, 10:47 PM

I am glad you are asking questions OP. I still do not believe you are quite ready to take the plunge yet. Keep researching the stickies up top and get a full grasp on this stuff and youll be better off for doing it.

**Noles12** · 10-22-2012, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

by the way oral cannot be taking or longterm goal right?
i mean what if u cycle oral steriods then PCT, then cycle oral and PCT if u continue u think its possible or no?
thanks a lot man

Same reasoning s before. Even with a PCT, you are shutting your testes completely down during the time you are running the orals. This is why gains are usually lost from oral only cycles. Males need testosterone therefore test needs to be the base of every cycle

**JohnnyTribal** · 10-22-2012, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

Ohh ok lol yeah i was thinking they are the real steriods lol
then i am assuming they are not as effective as the real ones am i correct? and u dont even need to cycle them i am guessing? or have pct for them?

The "pro-hormone" or anolouge roids can really have a huge fluctuation on your emotional balance more than anything. You will see gains but more like maybe 6-10 lbs in a month and your strength will go up but it's more of a placebo and mood changer in my opinion.

**JohnnyTribal** · 10-22-2012, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by socomftb234

u can still find steriods in pill form tho right? or all of them are in injection form?
i am not talking about the banner on the top by the way

Some real steroids are injectable only, the all oral forms you see are usually anolouges or pro hormones. Usually a couple compounds off of the real gear