2nd cycle - Please can you read details inside

[Christopher_UK]

Hi there, I am coming to the end of my first cycle, and was wanting to place my order with my source for my second cycle, even though I wont be buying the gear for around 2 months.

So onto the details, originally when I made my first cycle thread I said I fancied doing test prop + deca and got told to just do 8 weeks of test prop on its own which is what I have done, I've got 9 days left and then start PCT 3 days after last injection.

So I still have the deca I bought as you guys told me to save it and not use it for my first cycle.

Would it be ok for me to do test prop + deca for second cycle or would you recommend test prop with something else and keep the deca for a future 3rd cycle? I have been reading several forums and other beginners such as myself have been told "why are you using deca as deca has a longer ester and prop has a shorter ester?"...despite reading this though, is deca stacked with test prop not a good idea or can it still be a good cycle?

It's just I've already bought the deca so would make my second cycle a lot cheaper. Nevertheless if you guys tell me to use test prop with dbol or something else thats fine too. Just looking for best advice.

I was thinking of doing the cycle like this:
weeks 1-8 - Test prop @ 100mg/1ml EOD
weeks 1-8 - Deca nand @ 200mg/2ml x2/week
weeks 1-8 - Adex @ .25mg EOD

PCT - Clomid @ 100mg for first two weeks followed by 50mg for last two weeks & nolva @ 20mg for full 4 weeks.

P.S I'm asthmatic so I've read tren is no good for asthmatics, just thought I'd mention this if you were going to recommend that instead of the deca.

Thanks in advance.

[MR-FQ320]

Hi mate, I remember you from before. It's not considered a bad cycle as test is the base of ALL cycles, it's just going to be a waste of pins and time that's all. See you want to pin the prop ED or EOD the deca only needs to be pinned twice a week, so why go through the hassle ? Just get some test enan or sust and and jab twice a week.

[MickeyKnox]

I always recommended pairing the esters whenever possible so that both esters clear at the same time.

I would also run that out to ten wks if you could, especially if you change the test to a long ester like cyp or enth.

[Christopher_UK]

Hi there Mr-Fq, I remembered you from other thread also And thanks to both of you for quick responses.

Well based on what you both just said, I have a question for you...you know in my other thread when I was posting about my first cycle, and you guys said to just use test prop on its own so to understand where the side effects are coming from, if I do get any...well, if I am to now switch from test prop to test e, going by that earlier logic, would that now mean I would need to do test e for a cycle all on its own for the same reasons?

Or is the fact that I've had no side effects with test prop mean I wont have any side effects with test e?

Hopefully I explained my question right then, found it hard to write what I wanted to say.

Thanks in advance.

[Christopher_UK]

accidently double posted.

[MR-FQ320]

Test is test. Period.

Same effects / sides. The job lot.

The ester is only the time release mechanism for the test to be released into your body.

[Christopher_UK]

Test is test. Period.

Same effects / sides. The job lot.

The ester is only the time release mechanism for the test to be released into your body.

Nice 1 mate. So I've read 250mg x2/week for test e, is that what you'd recommend?

And 200mg of deca x2/week to go with it?

And would you run this course for 12 weeks or 16?

[MickeyKnox]

Nice 1 mate. So I've read 250mg x2/week for test e, is that what you'd recommend?

And 200mg of deca x2/week to go with it?

And would you run this course for 12 weeks or 16?

You nailed it bro - everything you just wrote. And although 10wks is better than 8, 12wks is best.

[warmouth]

I always recommended pairing the esters whenever possible so that both esters clear at the same time.

I would also run that out to ten wks if you could, especially if you change the test to a long ester like cyp or enth.

This, and Deca would be better ran for a 10 week minimum due to the super long half life of the Deconate ester. And , run the test 2 weeks longer than the Deca. This is ususally suggested because the deca ester is around for longer than a basic test ester (unless you could fint test deconate )That is important!

[Christopher_UK]

You nailed it bro - everything you just wrote. And although 10wks is better than 8, 12wks is best.

Sweet, think I've got just about everything covered then. I've been re-reading all the stickies this weekend and especially on the PCT for AI's and serms.

I've got it wrote down like this now after making the adjustments in this thread:

weeks 1-12 - Test E @ 250mg/2.5ml x2/week
weeks 1-12 - Deca Nand @ 200mg/2ml x2/week
weeks 1-12 - Adex @ .25mg EOD
PCT - Clomid @ 100mg for first two weeks followed by 50mg for last two weeks & nolva @ 20mg for full 4 weeks.

There's only perhaps three more questions I can think of right now after everything I've read this weekend on this board and others, if you dont mind:

I've read elsewhere some people being advised to take nolva during the cycle, would this be needed for me on this cycle?
EDIT: Do I start my PCT 14 days after last jab of test e?
And I've also been reading other people talking about taking a vitamin called B6 during cycle also, is this needed?
EDIT 2: Another thing I've read is people saying to use HCG during PCT when using deca, is this true? havent done much reading about hcg like, just reading other peoples forum post.

Thanks in advance.

[Christopher_UK]

This, and Deca would be better ran for a 10 week minimum due to the super long half life of the Deconate ester. And , run the test 2 weeks longer than the Deca. This is ususally suggested because the deca ester is around for longer than a basic test ester (unless you could fint test deconate )That is important!

Oh sorry, replied before seeing your post, EDIT:oh so should I do 14 weeks test e and 12 weeks deca or do you mean do 12 weeks test e and 10 weeks deca?

Thanks in advance.

[Christopher_UK]

Can anyone please answer the last few questions in my last two post, I'll post them again below to make things it easier/clearer:

1. • I've read elsewhere some people being advised to take nolva during the cycle , would this be needed for me on this cycle?
   • Do I start my PCT 14 days after last jab of test e?
   • I've also been reading other people talking about taking a vitamin called B6 during cycle, is this needed?
   • Another thing I've read is people saying to use HCG during PCT when using deca, is this true?
   • should I do 14 weeks test e and 12 weeks deca or did the guy posting above mean do 12 weeks test e and 10 weeks deca?
   • Should an AI be ran from starting the cycle all the way to the end, including during your PCT? So if you do 12 weeks test+deca and 4 weeks pct then you would run the AI for the full 16 weeks?

Thanks in advance!

[warmouth]

I would personally do 12 weeks Deca , 14 weeks Test. But this is my preference. You could do 10 weeks deca and 12 weeks Test. I say this because the deconate is present longer than the enanthate or cypionate ester, and much longer then the propionate ester of testosterone . Running both for the same periods of time can lead to erectile dysfunction until you get yourself built back up. I will know in more detail eventually, as my next cycle will consist of Deca. This is, once my BW finally checks out.
*EDIT* - B6 wouldnt hurt, as well as picking up some Prami or Bromo from our site sponsor to have on hand. Most recommend running HCG throughout cycle. Follow basic PCT as listed about in te sticky. AI should be used throughout cycle ending on the last pin of test/deca. Not needed during PCT, as the SERMS you will be using should be taking care of estrogen related sides. Good luck!

[MickeyKnox]

Can anyone please answer the last few questions in my last two post, I'll post them again below to make things it easier/clearer:

1. • I've read elsewhere some people being advised to take nolva during the cycle , would this be needed for me on this cycle? Yes
   • Do I start my PCT 14 days after last jab of test e? Yes
   • I've also been reading other people talking about taking a vitamin called B6 during cycle, is this needed? No, but it wouldn't hurt.
   • Another thing I've read is people saying to use HCG during PCT when using deca , is this true? No.
   • should I do 14 weeks test e and 12 weeks deca or did the guy posting above mean do 12 weeks test e and 10 weeks deca? Yes and yes
   • Should an AI be ran from starting the cycle all the way to the end, including during your PCT? So if you do 12 weeks test+deca and 4 weeks pct then you would run the AI for the full 16 weeks? No, not during PCT.

Thanks in advance!

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[Christopher_UK]

Thanks for all your help so far, after re-reading everything from yesterday and all your replies I just have a couple more questions before I place my order.

MickeyKnox, you said yes above to using nolva during cycle, so should I take the nolva during weeks 1-14 at 20mg ED and also the HCG EOD or have I confused things by using the word cycle and you just meant to use the nolva for the PCT at the end for the last 4 weeks with clomid? I'd appreciate it if someone can clear this up for me.

Last of all, can I ask you guys to do me one last favour and check over my notes on this so I have everything wrote down correctly and I know exactly what to ask for when I place my order, I really appreciate your help!

Notes:

Second Cycle
• weeks 1-14 - Test E @ 250mg/2.5ml x2/week
• weeks 1-12 - Deca Nand @ 200mg/2ml x2/week
• weeks 1-14 - Adex @ .25mg EOD
• weeks 1 – 14 - HCG @ 250iu EOD
• weeks 17 – 20 – Clomid @ 100/100/50/50
• weeks 17 – 20 – nolva @ 20/20/20/20

And then based on those notes this is what I would text my source:

Order:
Test E = 28 x 250mg/2.5ml vials
Deca = 12 x 200mg/2ml vials
1 box of nolva = 30 @ 20mg
adex = 1 x 30ml vial
HCG = 3 x 5000iu vials
vitamin B6

Thanks in advance.

[warmouth]

I would run the Nolva at 40/40/20/20 since Deca can be harsher. I think you could go 5 weeks on the nolva if you wanted, but it might be overkill. Deca is known to be harsh, so run the nolva at 40 to start with, then taper. Everything else looks to be good, unless I overlooked something.

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks for all your help so far, after re-reading everything from yesterday and all your replies I just have a couple more questions before I place my order.

MickeyKnox, you said yes above to using nolva during cycle, so should I take the nolva during weeks 1-14 at 20mg ED and also the HCG EOD or have I confused things by using the word cycle and you just meant to use the nolva for the PCT at the end for the last 4 weeks with clomid? I'd appreciate it if someone can clear this up for me.

Last of all, can I ask you guys to do me one last favour and check over my notes on this so I have everything wrote down correctly and I know exactly what to ask for when I place my order, I really appreciate your help!

Notes:

Second Cycle
• weeks 1-14 - Test E @ 250mg/2.5ml x2/week
• weeks 1-12 - Deca Nand @ 200mg/2ml x2/week
• weeks 1-14 - Adex @ .25mg EOD
• weeks 1 – 14 - HCG @ 250iu EOD
• weeks 17 – 20 – Clomid @ 100/100/50/50
• weeks 17 – 20 – nolva @ 20/20/20/20

And then based on those notes this is what I would text my source:

Order:
Test E = 28 x 250mg/2.5ml vials
Deca = 12 x 200mg/2ml vials
1 box of nolva = 30 @ 20mg
adex = 1 x 30ml vial
HCG = 3 x 5000iu vials
vitamin B6

Thanks in advance.

I just noticed this. I meant yes, to include nolva as part of your cycle, BUT during PCT, NOT on cycle. I apologize for the confusion. Warmouth is correct.