Moving to the US from Europe

**dabigcheese** · 10-22-2012, 05:29 PM

My apologies in advance for a somewhat strange question.

I have been to the US numerous times and love the country but have lived in Europe my whole life. In every country that I lived in, Steroid use and possession was legal (sale without script was illegal). I never had an issue using steroids or possessing them and did so responsibly.

I am now looking at a potential job opportunity in New York, which offers great career prospects. However, I am concerned that I will no longer be able to use steroids as possession even for personal use is illegal in America. I no longer use steroids for bodybuilding. I would only use depo testosterone for HRT (I am 36 now and have low to zero libido).

How do the Americans on the forum obtain their steroids usually? In Europe, I can fly to a country nearby where steroids are sold without prescription and fly back with limited quantities in my luggage and it is never an issue. I realise that I cannot do this in America. On the other hand, I might find a physician more willing to write me a script for using test in a HRT protocol (it is almost impossible to get a doctor in Europe to do that). Any bros here in the NY area with some experience with docs? Your input would be most useful.

Just to clarify, I am looking for very discreet general information about the scene - no specific names and/or sources. Just an assessment of how it all works in the US would be most helpful. My impression is that the laws are very harsh compared to Europe and this causes real problems.

Thanks in advance for all your input!

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 12:03 AM

Bump

**lovbyts** · 10-23-2012, 01:18 AM

If I were you I would make sure to keep some local contacts at home who are willing to ship you what you need otherwise you are going to be playing hit and miss trying to order online.

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 11:55 AM

Shipping by post through personal contacts abroad works? Do customs in the US intercept often?

Also, do Americans buy stuff from Mexico or is it too dangerous to go there now due to the drug wars?

**anahny** · 10-23-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

Shipping by post through personal contacts abroad works? Do customs in the US intercept often?

Also, do Americans buy stuff from Mexico or is it too dangerous to go there now due to the drug wars?

Trust me the last thing the fbi is going to do is set up traps for steroids . As long as you keep things to yourself you shouldn't have a problem. And unless that job gives random drug tests I wouldn't worry about it after your hired on

**realgear** · 10-23-2012, 12:06 PM

Just keep old contacts and have them send u it I rarely ever lose a package.

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 12:11 PM

How are the docs in the NY area on HRT? Ideally, I'd love to be doing full time HRT on doc supervision with a script (don't mind paying for the doses out of pocket even).

In Europe, the docs are worse than useless for those sorts of issues.

**anahny** · 10-23-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

How are the docs in the NY area on HRT? Ideally, I'd love to be doing full time HRT on doc supervision with a script (don't mind paying for the doses out of pocket even).

In Europe, the docs are worse than useless for those sorts of issues.

Not gonna happen unless you have a legitimate reason. They have too many laws to follow here and it's all docs not just ny

**Wazz** · 10-23-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

Shipping by post through personal contacts abroad works? Do customs in the US intercept often?

Also, do Americans buy stuff from Mexico or is it too dangerous to go there now due to the drug wars?

Customs & interception have just as much a chance as any other package so long as its packaged discretely. If it says "steroids " on the box then of course it'll be seized. Customs usually randomly hit packages. I can only guess that suspicious packages will take precedence. Of some 90 shipments of Blu-rays I've bought from the UK & France I've only had one ever checked out. It continued its trip to me taped up with a customs form inside. It can/has happened however I can't speak to what would happen if siezed, its way too much in resources to track down a simple order of AAS & attempt prosecuting an individual for it. It would require quite a bit of investigation.

Mail is pretty safe. IMO, if you can't except any loss then you shouldn't be spending the $$ on it.

As for quiting for work. Thats a pretty good idea until you find out if/how/what they test for. Almost all civilian busnesses that send away for drug testing don't spend big bucks on drug tests. Its really expensive if they want to test everything your on. I was parted out (tasked) to a lab in the lower 48 as part of a UPL (military review) & found the testing pretty good, most businesses just pay for simple "dip stick" testing, Example: 200+ specimens come in & are all tested with rather inexpensive testers & if positive are tested at a higher level to get an exact amount (PPM) for positive results ect.. Most test the main drugs Coke, Heroin, Weed.... It was a surprise to find that a lot of older drugs weren't tested anymore.

Hair tests & official medical tests (blood, urine, saliva) <from places like pain clinics> were extensive! Each costing $600+ literally stating everything in your system & charged per item found. I tried one when there (As I was on pain meds) & didn't mention the drugs I was on. They NAILED every one (although tests can show high & low amounts, they cannot say what is "toxic" to a user as tolerance differs), the cost would have been around $500 to my insurance for that test (if ordered). The newer "spoon" a cloth type flat (fiber looking) "spoon"or lollypoop, with a tip that changes color with enough saliva. It kind of like an oral "swab" that takes anywhere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes to saturate with saliva. Anyhow, I can go on & on with testing procedures, but I will say that the medical tests were the only tests I knew to check for AAS (because it was checked to look for). I wouldn't chance it, but highly doubt employers are footing the bill to Test everything down to AAS. So hang in there & find out

Wazz

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Wazz

Customs & interception have just as much a chance as any other package so long as its packaged discretely. If it says "steroids " on the box then of course it'll be seized. Customs usually randomly hit packages. I can only guess that suspicious packages will take precedence. Of some 90 shipments of Blu-rays I've bought from the UK & France I've only had one ever checked out. It continued its trip to me taped up with a customs form inside. It can/has happened however I can't speak to what would happen if siezed, its way too much in resources to track down a simple order of AAS & attempt prosecuting an individual for it. It would require quite a bit of investigation.

Mail is pretty safe. IMO, if you can't except any loss then you shouldn't be spending the $$ on it.

As for quiting for work. Thats a pretty good idea until you find out if/how/what they test for. Almost all civilian busnesses that send away for drug testing don't spend big bucks on drug tests. Its really expensive if they want to test everything your on. I was parted out (tasked) to a lab in the lower 48 as part of a UPL (military review) & found the testing pretty good, most businesses just pay for simple "dip stick" testing, Example: 200+ specimens come in & are all tested with rather inexpensive testers & if positive are tested at a higher level to get an exact amount (PPM) for positive results ect.. Most test the main drugs Coke, Heroin, Weed.... It was a surprise to find that a lot of older drugs weren't tested anymore.

Hair tests & official medical tests (blood, urine, saliva) <from places like pain clinics> were extensive! Each costing $600+ literally stating everything in your system & charged per item found. I tried one when there (As I was on pain meds) & didn't mention the drugs I was on. They NAILED every one (although tests can show high & low amounts, they cannot say what is "toxic" to a user as tolerance differs), the cost would have been around $500 to my insurance for that test (if ordered). The newer "spoon" a cloth type flat (fiber looking) "spoon"or lollypoop, with a tip that changes color with enough saliva. It kind of like an oral "swab" that takes anywhere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes to saturate with saliva. Anyhow, I can go on & on with testing procedures, but I will say that the medical tests were the only tests I knew to check for AAS (because it was checked to look for). I wouldn't chance it, but highly doubt employers are footing the bill to Test everything down to AAS. So hang in there & find out

Wazz

Thanks. That is very interesting and useful info.

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by anahny

Not gonna happen unless you have a legitimate reason. They have too many laws to follow here and it's all docs not just ny

That sounds right and I had guessed that would be the case.

**Metalject** · 10-23-2012, 02:18 PM

If you legitimately have low testosterone , getting a legal prescription should not be difficult at all. Steroid laws in the U.S. are extremely strict, they may be some of the most unjust in the world, which is odd when you consider the U.S. is supposed to be the ultimate in protecting liberty. However, low testosterone prescriptions are extremely easy to get....you should not have a problem.

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

If you legitimately have low testosterone, getting a legal prescription should not be difficult at all. Steroid laws in the U.S. are extremely strict, they may be some of the most unjust in the world, which is odd when you consider the U.S. is supposed to be the ultimate in protecting liberty. However, low testosterone prescriptions are extremely easy to get....you should not have a problem.

It's at the lowest end of the "normal range". This is where the problem lies. The docs will not prescribe it until it becomes "official".

**Wazz** · 10-23-2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

It's at the lowest end of the "normal range". This is where the problem lies. The docs will not prescribe it until it becomes "official".

You shouldn't have that issue with a good doctor in the US. You are paying the $$ (Unless your insurance is a PITA) & the Doctor should still be able to override even a decent amount of points if your lifestyle is effected. Update us when you get to NY & let us know if you have success. In the end your still safe if you choose to buy your own & pin out of pocket.

Good luck!

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-23-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

How are the docs in the NY area on HRT? Ideally, I'd love to be doing full time HRT on doc supervision with a script (don't mind paying for the doses out of pocket even).

In Europe, the docs are worse than useless for those sorts of issues.

Keep on the lookout for anti-aging clinics. In your situation, there is no reason to risk anything over illegally obtaining steroids , when most likely you can find a script for it. You might want to wait up a few months until the System Administrator on this site gets his HRT clinic going.

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Wazz

You shouldn't have that issue with a good doctor in the US. You are paying the $$ (Unless your insurance is a PITA) & the Doctor should still be able to override even a decent amount of points if your lifestyle is effected. Update us when you get to NY & let us know if you have success. In the end your still safe if you choose to buy your own & pin out of pocket.

Good luck!

Thanks. My move to NYC is not certain yet but if it goes ahead, I will post about my experiences with NY doctors. The ones in Europe have been worse than useless.

**dabigcheese** · 10-23-2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

Keep on the lookout for anti-aging clinics. In your situation, there is no reason to risk anything over illegally obtaining steroids, when most likely you can find a script for it. You might want to wait up a few months until the System Administrator on this site gets his HRT clinic going.

Thanks. I won't start anything before December - which is the earliest I am likely to get my hands on pharmaceutical grade steroids .