A bit of help please

[Jayman89]

Am going to be running a var only cycle for SPORTS purposes (i know ...no testosterone ) but i probably wouldn't have a hair left on my head. That being said I have done a lot of research and read countless posts so here it goes... I'm 23, 140lbs , 8% bf.. and have been training for about 6 years I want to run a 6 -8 week cycle at 50mg then jump up if need

Any suggestions ?? I have attached pics for before and after ,.. This is also my first cycle

[Lunk1]

Are you prepared to operate with no or low test production? No test hinders gains....

[Jayman89]

i am 5'7 btw

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[Jayman89]

yeah i have already factored that in .. i know the cycle wont be as effective but i have some blue pills handy in case a broad is over haha.. with the proper pct I've read i should be back to normal at about a month after

[austinite]

I really never understood why someone would know the risk, and take it anyway... You need test to function as a male would need to.

Best of luck, stay safe.

[Lunk1]

How can you "factor" that in? Test makes us grow...thats why a few ppl around here inject it

Your planning to shut yours down and not replace it...

Any benifits you recieve from this cycle will be lost before Super Bowl kickoff!

[Sworder]

Raise your dose to 60-80mg and cut it down to 5 or 6 weeks. Make sure you have a proper PCT! Log your results here.

[Lunk1]

Good ole' Sworder..the oral only advocate to the rescue lol!

[Jayman89]

as i have said im not looking for mass.. or i would stack, i am an athlete so the last thing i need is to be bulky and jump weight classes. anavar supresses... test would shut me down

[Jayman89]

thanks alot !

i will be going to my friends brother who is a doc for regular blood work and monitoring.. as for the end of cycle i have my novaldex and clomoid all ready to go

[Sworder]

If you want to argue a reason to not use orals only, make sure it is correct. That's the only stipulation, I don't really care what the matter at hand is. You can have a functioning libido without testosterone in a cycle, the shorter the cycle the better. FACT!

[Lunk1]

as i have said im not looking for mass.. or i would stack, i am an athlete so the last thing i need is to be bulky and jump weight classes. anavar supresses... test would shut me down

Var can surpress AND shutdown! It's dosage and individual dependent! "Bulking" occurs due to diet not testosterone. Lot's of ppl cut using test to help muscle wasting during low cal diets!

You can toss out excuses all day long but test should be used!

If your afraid to pin like alot of ppl don't be ashamed

[Lunk1]

If you want to argue a reason to not use orals only, make sure it is correct. That's the only stipulation, I don't really care what the matter at hand is. You can have a functioning libido without testosterone in a cycle, the shorter the cycle the better. FACT!

You can have but there is no guarantee that it will not surpress or shutdown...is there???????

[DigitalGorilla]

Var can surpress AND shutdown! It's dosage and individual dependent! "Bulking" occurs due to diet not testosterone. Lot's of ppl cut using test to help muscle wasting during low cal diets!

You can toss out excuses all day long but test should be used!

If your afraid to pin like alot of ppl don't be ashamed

TOTALLY AGREE. I cut WHILE ON Test.......
In fact - out of all the weight I lost - I lost it the quickest while on TEST.

[Jayman89]

yes i must be afraid to pin... ..bottom line is i am an athlete who does not need to be an adult film star while training .. i'm sure you wold run test with it but that's what you would do.. sworder thank you for being informative and i will take your advice

[Sworder]

You can have but there is no guarantee that it will not surpress or shutdown...is there???????

It will get suppressed heavily and/or shutdown completely. Replacing one androgen for another, there is no problem. Estrogen would be the main problem..

Have you noticed on trenbolone that your libido is off the charts? Or heard that for some people this is the case? It could because of androgen receptor stimulation in certain tissue that isn't specific to testosterone(there is no testosterone receptor btw).

[Jayman89]

Best of luck, stay safe.

thanks and i will

[Lunk1]

Yes while on Tren my labido is skyrocketed...but without the test I would not be able to take advantage of the increased sexual desire. I have heard from numerous old timers that ran those tren only cycles..yes it works (just as Var will) but they had to deal with the lack of performance issues

[Sworder]

yes i must be afraid to pin... ..bottom line is i am an athlete who does not need to be an adult film star while training .. i'm sure you wold run test with it but that's what you would do.. sworder thank you for being informative and i will take your advice

Anavar only cycles aren't that bad in general, depending on your goals. That's why I throw a fit and argue for them. What are YOUR goals and what sport do you play?

[Jayman89]

What are YOUR goals and what sport do you play?

my goals are strength without the mass ( a little bit wouldn't hurt) as well as some hardening of my muscles.. i am a fighter... that's why i was thinking around 50-60 mg to avoid massive pumps, what do you think?

[t-dogg]

I think as a fighter test p would be good for you. Id bumped the anavar up and cut the weeks back to 6wks.

[Sworder]

Strength comes from muscle brother. There is no way around that. For MMA fighters EQ and replacement dose testosterone is pretty much the only recommended thing if you want to stay within your weight class. Steroids give you strength via muscles, and CNS stimulation to some degree as shown with certain DHT derivatives.

I am certain Anavar only isn't going to accomplish your goals. And like Lunk says you will probably lose your gains. Anavar only isn't bad, it does not suit your purpose though. If I were you I would probably go with TRT dose of testosterone and a mean fvcking DHT for aggression along with EQ for higher RBC without the anabolic effects.

[Lunk1]

I think as a fighter test p would be good for you. Id bumped the anavar up and cut the weeks back to 6wks.

T...I thought you hated var for fighting? I misunderstand???

[t-dogg]

T...I thought you hated var for fighting? I misunderstand???

Yes/no. When im doing alot of pad work/bag work it sucks. I do like it when Im competing in a gi for grappling though, my grip strenght is like hulk lol.



Now I worked recommend it before a boxing and/or mma event only cause the "pumps" arnt good for buss. That and if you are tested im pretty sure they can pick it up.

[Jayman89]

great info guys !! this is the stuff i was looking for. with higher RBC blood will likely thicken? I have a reliable source and $$ to play with so i will probably heed all of your advice people and switch the cycle after doing some much needed research

[Jayman89]

gi for grappling though

i also do jiu jitsu along with my boxing

[t-dogg]

great info guys !! this is the stuff i was looking for. with higher RBC blood will likely thicken? I have a reliable source and $$ to play with so i will probably heed all of your advice people and switch the cycle after doing some much needed research

You want a test base like test p and/or test s for what your looking for. How far out is your next fight?

[Lunk1]

Just keep in mind..test is best lol. It wont blow you up (everything is diet)

[Jayman89]

That and if you are tested im pretty sure they can pick it up.

they don't test here haha

[t-dogg]

i also do jiu jitsu along with my boxing

I should be at worlds this year for the IBJJF in cali.

[t-dogg]

they don't test here haha

Then without a dout take test with it. You will love the results and how you feel. But be careful with pumps in the shoulders and calfs.

[Jayman89]

How far out is your next fight?

10 weeks

[t-dogg]

10 weeks

If your not tested I would get on test p. Fast acting.

[Jayman89]

worlds this year for the IBJJF in cali.

Good luck bro!!

what division and belt?

hopefully next year i do some things out there.. still some holes in the game that need filling

[DigitalGorilla]

My first VAR cycle was by itself.... excellent gains for me - especially forearms. GOt rock hard and stregnth went through the roof - but the cycle with TEST was even better - and I lost more bf...

[t-dogg]

Good luck bro!!

what division and belt?

hopefully next year i do some things out there.. still some holes in the game that need filling

I normally compete at middle weight witch is up to 181.5lbs with a gi on. My goal this for this next cycle afterwards is 185lbs and 9%bf to walk around at, so when I cut Im the biggest, leanest guy in my division.

[Sworder]

DHT derivative(halo would be sick), EQ and TRT dose? I think that is the best combo for fighters.

DigitalGorilla you did it to cut, he wants to be aggressive and raw power without the muscle mass, as well as endurance to tumble around and throw punches.

[t-dogg]

DHT derivative(halo would be sick), EQ and TRT dose? I think that is the best combo for fighters.

DigitalGorilla you did it to cut, he wants to be aggressive and raw power without the muscle mass, as well as endurance to tumble around and throw punches.

Normally I know guys run HGH, Test P and sometimes halo and compete. Yes its low doses, because you have to stay in limits of whats legal. Now once you play the "TRT card" in mma, that changes things lol.

[Jayman89]

I normally compete at middle weight witch is up to 181.5lbs with a gi on. My goal this for this next cycle afterwards is 185lbs and 9%bf to walk around at, so when I cut Im the biggest, leanest guy in my division.

good stuff man always good to see fellow practitioners haha, what belt?

[Jayman89]

so is the anavar included with the eq/ test p or hould i unload the anavar to someone i know