Proceed without hcg?

**hubbard13** · 10-24-2012, 07:41 PM

Hey Folks,

So this is my very first post after reading this forum for the last 6 or 7 years and I am finally ready to take the plunge.

I thought that I had practically put together my plan of action and was ready to start my first cycle in about 4 weeks.

I am 33 years old 6 feet tall, 182 lbs, and carrying about 10% BF.

I have been training for 16 years and perfecting my diet and have actually committed myself to becoming quite the endurance athlete for the last 5 years with a large focus on running/obstacle based competitions but I'm looking to make a shift.

I thought I had a the proper line up for my first cycle along with my PCT, AI's, Gear etc., But now I am starting to second guess everything.

There has seemed to be such a huge push toward the use of HCG that I am not sure if I should even start my cycle without it. The problem arises with the fact that I have tried every avenue out there and it just isn't on my radar.

I am planning:

Test E: 500 mg per week (weeks 1-12)
Dbol : 40 mg. per day (weeks 1-4)
followed by my PCT

I have my pct laid out and in hand as well as my AI for e.o.d use. BUT i am getting really nervous about starting this cycle without HCG. I know of numerous guys who have run numerous cycles without ever considering hcg and swear that they had no issues requiring hcg, but I wanted some real opinions from someone with real knowledge.

Should I move forward with this cycle without hcg or should I just put everything on hold and continue to try to seek it out? I am really psyched to get started but now I am caught in limbo.

What's the worst case scenario to expect by not using hcg and am I just over analyzing this because I want everything to be perfect for this first run? I am a bit OCD and have a plan that I will stick to and I just want it to be exact.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

HUB

**hubbard13** · 10-24-2012, 08:25 PM

bump

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-24-2012, 08:33 PM

HCG is over used/worried about in my op.
unless your doing a 16wk plus cycle ir using very harsh compounds for shut down liek tren ro deca or some orals... dont worry about it.

a PCT will do you fine.

if you want to use the HCG i rec the last 4-5 weeks of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT. ran at 500iu 2X a week.

I do rec running your cycle 14 weeks though, i feel its more worth while, with no noticeable added issues.

**hubbard13** · 10-24-2012, 08:45 PM

Thanks for the feedback. It's crazy because there is so much conflicting information from one day to the next. It just appears that there has been an enormous jump in the subject of HCG lately. I am seeing people saying that its completely foolish to run without it and others who never, ever mention it. PCT is on lock as well as a solid AI but HCG just doesn't appear to be in the cards.

I have literally spent years on this board reading and taking in everything I could and for the longest, I don't ever remember the subject coming up and now nearly every post response includes it. I think I am going to just run with my cycle as planned and hope that all the info I've gathered over the years is kosher without HCG.

**austinite** · 10-24-2012, 08:49 PM

Ive never, and probably never will cycle without it.

**hubbard13** · 10-24-2012, 09:00 PM

It's crazy how many so called "knowledgeable" users have never used it or even heard of it. (at least of the guys I've crossed paths with) Are they the most knowledgeable guys? No. Have they made some fantastic gains and appear to stay in tremendous shape with what appear to be no noticeable side effects? Yes.

It is truly a confusing issue and I really have some pros and cons to weigh I guess.

**boxa06** · 10-24-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by hubbard13

It's crazy how many so called "knowledgeable" users have never used it or even heard of it. (at least of the guys I've crossed paths with) Are they the most knowledgeable guys? No. Have they made some fantastic gains and appear to stay in tremendous shape with what appear to be no noticeable side effects? Yes.

It is truly a confusing issue and I really have some pros and cons to weigh I guess.

I have done 2 test only cycles and have used HCG on the second one. HCG does work well and I will continue to use it so long as I can get it. It was slightly harder and longer to recover when I didn't use it and once you've used it you can clearly feel the difference in the rate of recovery. This also led me to keep most of my gains last cycle.

**MickeyKnox** · 10-24-2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Ive never, and probably never will cycle without it.

Agreed 100%.

Originally Posted by hubbard13

It's crazy how many so called "knowledgeable" users have never used it or even heard of it. (at least of the guys I've crossed paths with) Are they the most knowledgeable guys? No. Have they made some fantastic gains and appear to stay in tremendous shape with what appear to be no noticeable side effects? Yes.

It is truly a confusing issue and I really have some pros and cons to weigh I guess.

Keep in mind that it says, Knowledgeable Member", not "Know-It-All"

**austinite** · 10-24-2012, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by hubbard13

It's crazy how many so called "knowledgeable" users have never used it or even heard of it. (at least of the guys I've crossed paths with) Are they the most knowledgeable guys? No. Have they made some fantastic gains and appear to stay in tremendous shape with what appear to be no noticeable side effects? Yes.

It is truly a confusing issue and I really have some pros and cons to weigh I guess.

I'm really quite curious to know which members have "never heard of HCG " - I think you are exaggerating, which certainly would not make for a fair statement on your part.

This would be the most boring place in the world if everyone had the exact same opinion. Not everyone uses or recommends HCG the same way. Not everyone is wrong, either.

**kmms** · 10-25-2012, 12:05 AM

run it at the end of your cycle like juced porkchop suggested. i'm at the tail end of virtually the same cycle you are considering and i waited until about 10 weeks into the cycle to begin hcg . no particular reason apart from wanting to understand the sides from test and dbol i suppose. hcg is very easy for me to get at the pharmacy here so it wasn't a source consideration.

you said you were 4 weeks out from your cycle. start looking now and begin your cycle on schedule and that gives you at least 2 months to locate some and enjoy the inferred benefits.

**boxa06** · 10-25-2012, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by kmms

run it at the end of your cycle like juced porkchop suggested. i'm at the tail end of virtually the same cycle you are considering and i waited until about 10 weeks into the cycle to begin hcg . no particular reason apart from wanting to understand the sides from test and dbol i suppose. hcg is very easy for me to get at the pharmacy here so it wasn't a source consideration.

you said you were 4 weeks out from your cycle. start looking now and begin your cycle on schedule and that gives you at least 2 months to locate some and enjoy the inferred benefits.

I agree with this idea. I like to run in the last 4 weeks up to PCT at 1000iu per week.

**champ14** · 10-25-2012, 12:26 AM

If your testicles don't shrink then what's the point? Correct me if I'm wrong but hcg is basically to keep your testicles the normal size. If they don't shrink then why use it. If they do then jump on. However I use it on cycle

**austinite** · 10-25-2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by champ14

If your testicles don't shrink then what's the point? Correct me if I'm wrong but hcg is basically to keep your testicles the normal size. If they don't shrink then why use it. If they do then jump on. However I use it on cycle

A Lot more than just testicular atrophy prevention...

read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIjbzm_A_wk

**kmms** · 10-25-2012, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by champ14

If your testicles don't shrink then what's the point? Correct me if I'm wrong but hcg is basically to keep your testicles the normal size. If they don't shrink then why use it. If they do then jump on. However I use it on cycle

i think that's only the vain version of why we use hcg . keeping them from getting stale from non use and therefore able to quickly resume production again is the real reason.

**champ14** · 10-25-2012, 01:02 AM

Great read. I'm glad I do 250 twice a week. Now im gonna switch the days I do it

**austinite** · 10-25-2012, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by champ14

Great read. I'm glad I do 250 twice a week. Now im gonna switch the days I do it

Agree

**hubbard13** · 10-25-2012, 06:51 AM

Austinite, I think the post where I referenced "Knowledgeable" users was misinterpreted. I didn't reference any "knowledgeable members" on this board. I meant the so called "Knowledgeable" users around my gym and amongst the guys that I know are running on a consistent basis.

I was not meaning anyone on this board that I had come across. These are the guys everyone asks for advice and I have heard some really ridiculous stuff roll out of their mouths. That is precisely why I decided to bring the question here to you guys.

I like to have as much info as possible from folks who really have experience with a compound before deciding to proceed with it. This was not being found amongst my circle of acquaintances.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and I am really going to continue the hcg hunt because I feel it really is a must at this point.

Thanks,

HUB

**austinite** · 10-25-2012, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by hubbard13

Austinite, I think the post where I referenced "Knowledgeable" users was misinterpreted. I didn't reference any "knowledgeable members" on this board. I meant the so called "Knowledgeable" users around my gym and amongst the guys that I know are running on a consistent basis.

I was not meaning anyone on this board that I had come across. These are the guys everyone asks for advice and I have heard some really ridiculous stuff roll out of their mouths. That is precisely why I decided to bring the question here to you guys.

I like to have as much info as possible from folks who really have experience with a compound before deciding to proceed with it. This was not being found amongst my circle of acquaintances.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and I am really going to continue the hcg hunt because I feel it really is a must at this point.

Thanks,

HUB

Gotchya. No problem.