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    i need knowledge

    Iv taken testboosters before and came off them pretty well. And iv been reading about deca 200 and understand that it helps gain mass increase strength and speeds up muscle recovery. And my question is for something that strong what else would be perfect to take with it. Should it be
    deca 200+cycle assist+E blocker and when coming off E blocker+clomid

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    Or is that wrong

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    What are your stats and prior cycle experience?

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    Need to go research more my bro! You're way off and your terminology shows a lack of knowledge with what you embarking on no issue that's why you made this thread! But go give a study on 1st time cycles and you will see the holes in your plan. Try see what these "Eblockers" are? See if you should use Deca alone and if its appropriate for a 1st cycle! Give PCT threads a good read thru on google...

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    I agree with the above.You dont want to run Deca alone you should run it with test.But before you do any cycle read about wat you are doing.After all it is your body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk
    What are your stats and prior cycle experience?
    5'6 150lbs looking to get 215lbs
    Bf15% iv done 3 cycles before m-drol h-drol and havoc with m-drol i ****ed up and had bad eating habits so i lost everything and with havoc little strength gains but i put on 20-25lbs and kept everything do my diet

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    I would not recommend nandrolone deconate for several reasons. It can suppress your natural testosterone by 57-80% and keep your natural testosterone suppressed for as little as 2 or long as 6 months after finishing a deca cycle. This will negatively affect your sex drive! Deca is also much harder on your lipids (cholesterol) than testosterone enanthate /cypionate .

    Based on prior hx, I'd suggest a test-E or test-C alone cycle for 8-12wks. Diet will be key to your success. If you lack the right nutrition, results will not be sustainable.

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    Ok prior to cycle experience 128 lbs 5'6

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk
    I would not recommend nandrolone deconate for several reasons. It can suppress your natural testosterone by 57-80% and keep your natural testosterone suppressed for as little as 2 or long as 6 months after finishing a deca cycle. This will negatively affect your sex drive! Deca is also much harder on your lipids (cholesterol) than testosterone enanthate /cypionate .

    Based on prior hx, I'd suggest a test-E or test-C alone cycle for 8-12wks. Diet will be key to your success. If you lack the right nutrition, results will not be sustainable.
    So what would you recommend

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    Quote Originally Posted by king212

    So what would you recommend
    Read the bottom of MuscleInk's post you just quoted. That's what he recommends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk
    I would not recommend nandrolone deconate for several reasons. It can suppress your natural testosterone by 57-80% and keep your natural testosterone suppressed for as little as 2 or long as 6 months after finishing a deca cycle. This will negatively affect your sex drive! Deca is also much harder on your lipids (cholesterol) than testosterone enanthate /cypionate .

    Based on prior hx, I'd suggest a test-E or test-C alone cycle for 8-12wks. Diet will be key to your success. If you lack the right nutrition, results will not be sustainable.
    So test-E alone like no post cycle or e-blocker

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    Yeah didnt see it until i replied back

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    TestE alone, 12weeks, low dose 500mg max... PCT standard protocol everyone will suggest different and AI I would say on hand with this dose others will tell you to throw it in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmgearworks
    TestE alone, 12weeks, low dose 500mg max... PCT standard protocol everyone will suggest different and AI I would say on hand with this dose others will tell you to throw it in...
    Thanks mmgearworks.

    OP, with this cycle I'd recommend a few things:

    "E-blocker". Read up on this because the use of e-blocker isn't entirely accurate. You should understand the differences between an aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM). They have very different mechanisms of action. In the recommendation above, there are one of many AIs you could use. My personal choice is Adex unless there are serious estrogenic issues that require more aggressive AI suppression. Typical dose suggested for anastrozole is 0.25mg EOD. PCT is usually tamoxifen (a SERM) and clomiphene (also a SERM and can assist with spermatogenesis). HCG would be a wise addition but some feel it is not always required; others never cycle without it.

    I haven't spelled everything out for you as I'd like to see a little more work on your part. I am always reluctant to lay out a full planned cycle for people because it tells me they aren't prepared to do this. If any of the above terminology is foreign/unfamiliar to you, my advice is to hold off until you have done more reading and understand what you are doing, how these compounds work, and more importantly, the RISKS of using each drug.

    More important than your cycle, is your diet/nutrition. BEFORE you start any of this, have a conversation with our resident experts in the nutrition forum. If you don't invest the time in developing a nutrition plan to drive and sustain gains, your cycle will be a failure and you will be disappointed - not to mention the money and time wasted and possible risks to your health.

    Good luck! We are here to help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Thanks mmgearworks.

    OP, with this cycle I'd recommend a few things:

    "E-blocker". Read up on this because the use of e-blocker isn't entirely accurate. You should understand the differences between an aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM). They have very different mechanisms of action. In the recommendation above, there are one of many AIs you could use. My personal choice is Adex unless there are serious estrogenic issues that require more aggressive AI suppression. Typical dose suggested for anastrozole is 0.25mg EOD. PCT is usually tamoxifen (a SERM) and clomiphene (also a SERM and can assist with spermatogenesis). HCG would be a wise addition but some feel it is not always required; others never cycle without it.

    I haven't spelled everything out for you as I'd like to see a little more work on your part. I am always reluctant to lay out a full planned cycle for people because it tells me they aren't prepared to do this. If any of the above terminology is foreign/unfamiliar to you, my advice is to hold off until you have done more reading and understand what you are doing, how these compounds work, and more importantly, the RISKS of using each drug.

    More important than your cycle, is your diet/nutrition. BEFORE you start any of this, have a conversation with our resident experts in the nutrition forum. If you don't invest the time in developing a nutrition plan to drive and sustain gains, your cycle will be a failure and you will be disappointed - not to mention the money and time wasted and possible risks to your health.

    Good luck! We are here to help you.

    MI

    ^^^^^ THIS THIS THIS THIS Please do research people.

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    Do u know anything with a compound test because wouldnt test-E just bring up 1 test

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    Quote Originally Posted by king212

    5'6 150lbs looking to get 215lbs
    Bf15% iv done 3 cycles before m-drol h-drol and havoc with m-drol i ****ed up and had bad eating habits so i lost everything and with havoc little strength gains but i put on 20-25lbs and kept everything do my diet
    How old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by king212
    Do u know anything with a compound test because wouldnt test-E just bring up 1 test
    I'm not following your question. Do you have more than one kind of testosterone in your body that the rest of us don't?

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    Beats me but I think he's leading onto S and E test...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmgearworks
    Beats me but I think he's leading onto S and E test...
    Me thinks he doth need additional reading!

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    Hold on a second. King do you mean that Deca 200 from the banner above? That stuff is good to go as is. No need for a PCT or AI with it either. It's a steroid alternative and should be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk

    I'm not following your question. Do you have more than one kind of testosterone in your body that the rest of us don't?
    And thats what i told a friend of mine who supposedly takes stuff like this and he told me i was wrong so i decided post that question on to prove him wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong
    Hold on a second. King do you mean that Deca 200 from the banner above? That stuff is good to go as is. No need for a PCT or AI with it either. It's a steroid alternative and should be safe.
    Are u sure i didnt find anything thT indicated that

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    Quote Originally Posted by king212

    And thats what i told a friend of mine who supposedly takes stuff like this and he told me i was wrong so i decided post that question on to prove him wrong
    Well...I'm still puzzled by the question. He told you there are different types of endogenous testosterones (i.e. different types of testosterones in the male body)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by king212 View Post
    Are u sure i didnt find anything thT indicated that
    the stuff on the buy steroids dot com banner above are safe to use. They're not the actual steroids , they're safe alternatives. People on this site have used them and reported good gains from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk

    Well...I'm still puzzled by the question. He told you there are different types of endogenous testosterones (i.e. different types of testosterones in the male body)?
    Yes and i only told him hes a dumba$$ and he called me stupid and told me to ask on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

    the stuff on the buy steroids dot com banner above are safe to use. They're not the actual steroids, they're safe alternatives. People on this site have used them and reported good gains from them.
    Like who ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by manveer1 View Post
    Like who ???
    Like a ton of people. No one is going to name names for you, bro.

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    Deca 200 above is fake

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    Quote Originally Posted by king212 View Post
    Deca 200 above is fake
    It's not fake, it's a steroid alternative.

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