1st time cycle of anuthing but i want to use straight test and anavar need assitance

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 10:44 PM

age: 30
weight:165
height:5'9"
6 months experience with weight training and HIIT

Ive been working out pretty much since i was in h.s. (football) but didnt get serious til about 6 months ago. I like the way things are going but would like to have some assistance. Im thinking about using 200mg (1cc) per week with 50mg of var per day. My concern is I have no gallbladder,it was removed about 4 years ago due to a massive gallstone. So should i worry? My friend who's type 1 diabetic uses the same stuff and he says if it doesnt hurt me it wont hurt you, so im thinking ok might as well try an 8 week cycle.On another note, I work with nothing but pharmacists and another concern of mine is will i gain enough muscle to be noticed and be asked why i look so different, dont want to lose my job. any help is much appreciated, thanx

p.s. do i have to use pct's after i stop, im really a noob to this

**Nakanoshima** · 10-25-2012, 10:55 PM

Welcome.

You'll need to post your bf%. Also, I would post my workout routine in the lifting section to make sure thats up to par, as you have only been serious 6 months. Usually a good two years is rule of thumb.

Best of luck - sorry I can't answer the gallbladder question, but there's so many knowledgeable members and so much info on here I'm sure you'll work it out.

**warmouth** · 10-25-2012, 11:00 PM

Welcome to the Forum! You came to theright place. For a first cycle, I would drop the Var andrun Test only. If you need some assistance, feel free to ask.

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 11:01 PM

thanx man

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 11:02 PM

why only test? just curious

**Noles12** · 10-25-2012, 11:04 PM

We recommend running only test for a first cycle so one can know exactly how they are responding to a compound. If you were to take two compounds and started experiencing a side effect, you would not be able to distinguish which one is causing it because you have never run either one before

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 11:08 PM

oh! nice you guys are freaking knowledgeable man but wouldnt i get noticeably big enough to be asked questions at work? if im using 200mg a week for 8 weeks?

**Noles12** · 10-25-2012, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by monkey24

oh! nice you guys are freaking knowledgeable man but wouldnt i get noticeably big enough to be asked questions at work? if im using 200mg a week for 8 weeks?

200mgs a week for 8 weeks is a very weak cycle in comparison to what we usually recommend. Some individuals are on higher doses than this for TRT just to replace natural levels.

I personally would recommend working on building a base a little longer. 6 months is not that long in terms of lifting. You could easily put on more muscle by tweaking your diet and training at this point

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 11:13 PM

ok sounds like nice advice will take that into consideration. When you say building a base you mean my work out regimen? sorry if i sound like a total noob im just trying to understan cuz im still on the fence with all this stuff

**warmouth** · 10-25-2012, 11:17 PM

Noles is a stud genius around here. It is nice to have him around regularly again. Take heed to his advice. And feel free to ask any questions you might have. Educate andresearch first, AAS when you are ready. You'll see and you'll be glad you did. Good luck and ask everything you can to learn.

**Noles12** · 10-25-2012, 11:19 PM

Your body is your base. If you have not spent a considerable amount of time strengthening ligaments, tendons, and muscles, then steroids can be very detrimental. It can lead to injury due to the sudden increase of muscle mass and weights on the underdeveloped body.

Another thing about building this base is it shows one is willing to do everything right in order to reach their goals. Someone who can't build much muscle naturally will waste their time cycling. It is not a miracle maker. You have to understand diet and training and how to build lean mass. When one has finally plateaued and built a considerable amount of natural muscle, then I would suggest turning to AAS

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 11:24 PM

Wow! man thanx a lot you have really made it simple to make my decision, i will take your advice and work on building my body as well as my mind. is there any exercise you recommend as a staple of necessity to use at the gym? squats, deadlifts etc....

**Noles12** · 10-25-2012, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by monkey24

Wow! man thanx a lot you have really made it simple to make my decision, i will take your advice and work on building my body as well as my mind. is there any exercise you recommend as a staple of necessity to use at the gym? squats, deadlifts etc....

I feel there are many staples for each body part. The easy way to help you with that is posting up your current regimen and we can give our 2 cents on what you can change about it

**Wazz** · 10-25-2012, 11:29 PM

Welcome & good luck!

I know you just signed up & wan to start ASAP. However, don't. At least w/o spending a solid few weeks researching everything (especially sticky's <threads>) with important info. I have enough gear for a beginners 1st cycle & a beginners second adding one compound to test E. I was (thinking) ready to jump in & go, but after research pushed my start back 3 months!

Just for diet, to talk w/ my docs (med issues) & just to SLOW down a bit & talk to he guys who have a wealth of knowledge. It may be longer now? Idk. Anyways, good luck!

**monkey24** · 10-25-2012, 11:42 PM

sundays & fridays: Legs: squats super-set with leg press, leg curls super-set leg extensions, kick out machine for glutes both legs lastly calf raises with smith machine up to 95 lbs
mondays: biceps and back: dealifts, lat pulldown super-set with bent over row lay on padding thing, seated cable row, then concetration curls, straight barbell curl, incline db curl, deadlifts
tuesday: HIIT treadmill incline 11 run at 7 30 sec on 30 sec off then abs
wed: chest shoulders: db press incline and flat,cable flys, fly machine, military press (barbell), arnold press
thur: HIIT treamill same as above
should i change anything plus i thing i have a lower left muscle strain from deadlifts.....sux

**Noles12** · 10-25-2012, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by monkey24

sundays & fridays: Legs: squats super-set with leg press, leg curls super-set leg extensions, kick out machine for glutes both legs lastly calf raises with smith machine up to 95 lbsNot enough time to recover in my opinion. Two days after legs I would not even be able to attempt them again
mondays: biceps and back: dealifts, lat pulldown super-set with bent over row lay on padding thing, seated cable row, then concetration curls, straight barbell curl, incline db curl, deadliftsIf working legs Sunday, I would not have my back day Monday. Deads the day after squats can overtrain you.
tuesday: HIIT treadmill incline 11 run at 7 30 sec on 30 sec off then abs
wed: chest shoulders: db press incline and flat,cable flys, fly machine, military press (barbell), arnold pressI dont see any tricep work other than auxiliary muscles during major lifts. I would at least throw a few things in on your chest day
thur: HIIT treamill same as above
should i change anything plus i thing i have a lower left muscle strain from deadlifts.....sux

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**Tron3219** · 10-26-2012, 12:02 AM

What are your set/reps like? How long do you typically stay in the gym?

**monkey24** · 10-26-2012, 12:08 AM

sets usually 4-5 reps start high 15 then drop to 4-6 reps, and usually stay at the gym around 45 min to 1hour

**monkey24** · 10-26-2012, 12:10 AM

ok that might explain my muscle strain becuase it was do to deadlifts on a mon right after legs day. Ill try to work on my regimen thanx for all the info.

**warmouth** · 10-26-2012, 12:27 AM

YOu got some great advice monkey! Now bust that butt and prepare yourself! Good Luck!

**Tron3219** · 10-26-2012, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by monkey24

sets usually 4-5 reps start high 15 then drop to 4-6 reps, and usually stay at the gym around 45 min to 1hour

This is just the way I do it, not saying it would work for you, but you've got to play with your workouts to milk every ounce of potential you have in them. I work one body part a day; legs, shoulders, arms, back, chest, in that order. Now I'll stick two rest days in there as I see fit, depending on what my body is telling me. I do them in that order because the only muscles that really overlap on a recovery basis is arms and back, but my arms are my "light" day (genetics make my arms grow out of proportion).

Also low reps high weight may work on one of your body parts but not another to achieve the look u want. Like with me, my legs must be as heavy as I can go to where failure is 4-5 reps. Where as my shoulders get more defined and "bulbous" lol with 5-6 sets of 20.

When I'm cutting, I'll do light cardio for 20 minutes before my workout making sure my heart rate is at 75-85% then go into my workout with a fierce intensity. U should be looking yourself in the mirror, dripping sweat of your nose snarling at yourself saying come on püssy you have one more in there, dig down and get it!

Sorry I got a lil excited, but the moral of the story, tweak ur workout to what ur body responds to, allow time for recovery and eat right