First cycle using HGH and or IGF-1 for hight and muscle growth

[DamSam]

Hello everyone, Im 20 years old and have been working out for 3 years naturally.
I dont think I am ready for steroids such as Test, Deca or dbol ect as I am still young and have many years to grow. It seems that these steroids have some bad side effects if abused and can also stunt growth in young users like me. As well as muscle growth this is not my main reason for the question. As I said I am only 20 and I still hope I have more natural growing to do because I would like to boost whatever chance I have of growing taller before the ends of my bones harden and I can no longer get any bigger which will be at the end of puberty. I still have acne, which is a good sign that I am still going through puberty. Now, I have heard that HGH is what is prescribed to dwarfs and short people to increase their overall growth so that they can live normal lives. Does this mean that someone like me who is still going through puberty could still have a chance of growing taller if I went on a cycle of HGH? I am quite short and if I could grasp this chance to grow taller before it is too late and puberty is over for me than I would absolutely within a heartbeat do it. Do you have any idea If this will actually work for me in all of your studies? And as well growing taller, do you think I could also make good muscle gains if I cycled HGH with IGF-1 at the same time? I know that these two somewhat 'steroids' are a lot safer to use and work in a different way to other ones like 'test e' and 'dbol' which is why I will not use those ones until I am about 25 years old to let my body do its thing and complete its growing.
And last but not least should I first do a plain HGH cycle, and for my second one include both HGH and IGF-1?

Thank you so much for reading I have tried to make what I have typed as clear as I can with my limited knowledge, if anyone has experience with these two steroids it would be awesome to get a reply

[MuscleInk]

HGH will not make you grow any taller than your predisposed genetic limits. So, for example, if your parents are no taller than say, 5'8", no amount of GH is going to make you grow much taller than that.

Second, the majority (about 99%) of GH sold is counterfeit, so unless you have a very reliable source or direct access to Pharma-grade GH and IGF-1, you likely won't get legitimate GH.

Third, to see benefits of GH, you generally need to run it for longer periods (more than 6 months and often closer to 12) and/or you must dose it at higher levels to see any "anabolic" benefits per se.

Fourth, GH is expensive. Most people cannot afford to run it as long as needed or at doses required to see measurable benefits.

You'll achieve superior results with basic nutrition and exercise.

[Brick]

Hello everyone, Im 20 years old and have been working out for 3 years naturally.
I dont think I am ready for steroids such as Test, Deca or dbol ect as I am still young and have many years to grow. It seems that these steroids have some bad side effects if abused and can also stunt growth in young users like me. As well as muscle growth this is not my main reason for the question. As I said I am only 20 and I still hope I have more natural growing to do because I would like to boost whatever chance I have of growing taller before the ends of my bones harden and I can no longer get any bigger which will be at the end of puberty. I still have acne, which is a good sign that I am still going through puberty. Now, I have heard that HGH is what is prescribed to dwarfs and short people to increase their overall growth so that they can live normal lives. Does this mean that someone like me who is still going through puberty could still have a chance of growing taller if I went on a cycle of HGH? I am quite short and if I could grasp this chance to grow taller before it is too late and puberty is over for me than I would absolutely within a heartbeat do it. Do you have any idea If this will actually work for me in all of your studies? And as well growing taller, do you think I could also make good muscle gains if I cycled HGH with IGF-1 at the same time? I know that these two somewhat 'steroids' are a lot safer to use and work in a different way to other ones like 'test e' and 'dbol' which is why I will not use those ones until I am about 25 years old to let my body do its thing and complete its growing.
And last but not least should I first do a plain HGH cycle, and for my second one include both HGH and IGF-1?

Thank you so much for reading I have tried to make what I have typed as clear as I can with my limited knowledge, if anyone has experience with these two steroids it would be awesome to get a reply

go to the doctor! They have SPECIALISTS that deal with all ailments these day, don't go fvcking yourself up man.

[DamSam]

Thanks for the advice guys I thought if I was on to something It would be worth asking before doing as it seemed like it would work. I read that IGF-1 can give you similar effects as HGH in that it creates new muscle fibres but the results happen in about half the time the only thing is that you don't get that refreshed younger feeling as if you took HGH so people choose to cycle them together to get the best overall effects. The problem is it cost's a shit load and aside from growing in height it would give me safer muscle gains than taking more generic types of steroids like test, deca or dbol which I should leave till I am older.

Oh well cheers for the advice anyway, if anyone else has any useful info it would be much appreciated.

[Weah]

Thanks for the advice guys I thought if I was on to something It would be worth asking before doing as it seemed like it would work. I read that IGF-1 can give you similar effects as HGH in that it creates new muscle fibres but the results happen in about half the time the only thing is that you don't get that refreshed younger feeling as if you took HGH so people choose to cycle them together to get the best overall effects. The problem is it cost's a shit load and aside from growing in height it would give me safer muscle gains than taking more generic types of steroids like test, deca or dbol which I should leave till I am older.

Oh well cheers for the advice anyway, if anyone else has any useful info it would be much appreciated.

Check out Sarms. Ostarine and Mk-677 is the one you want to look at. Mk-677 is a sarms that works in many ways like HGH.

[Sworder]

Check out Sarms. Ostarine and Mk-677 is the one you want to look at. Mk-677 is a sarms that works in many ways like HGH.

I strongly disagree. SARMs are not very good for a multitude of reasons. They are suppressive to the HPTA, high hepatotoxicity, and they don't work at all like hGH.

I apologize for being disrespectful but your advice is very malignant. Please make sure you are aware of the effect of the drugs you are telling this 20 year old man to use.

[SlimmerMe]

You are in your peak for hgh production so messing around with it now could slow down or even shut down your natural gh production by relying on the synthetic since your own gh pulse no longer feels needed. Not worth the risk. And if your growth plates are open you could risk odd growth which I bet you do not want to happen.

So....please stay away from it. And you are smart staying away from test and dbol and deca.

Also, there is an HGH forum here which you might want to check out and read since tons of info there too. Good luck!

[Sworder]

You are in your peak for hgh production so messing around with it now could slow down or even shut down your natural gh production by relying on the synthetic since your own gh pulse no longer feels needed. Not worth the risk. And if your growth plates are open you could risk odd growth which I bet you do not want to happen.

I never knew that! I thought that exogenous/endogenous GH has a short pulse and that you can bypass any "negative feedback" using these compounds. I guess this applies to peptides as well? Please, could you share a reference or source to this information?

[MuscleInk]

I strongly disagree. SARMs are not very good for a multitude of reasons. They are suppressive to the HPTA, high hepatotoxicity, and they don't work at all like hGH.

I apologize for being disrespectful but your advice is very malignant. Please make sure you are aware of the effect of the drugs you are telling this 20 year old man to use.

I agree with Sworder. I have conducted three clinical trials with enobosarm (ostarine) and while the results are promising, the long term effects of these drugs remain UNKNOWN. Most studies are conducted using doses as high as 3mg for treatment periods lasting only 16 weeks. Off label use of this compound for body building is typically done at higher doses (e.g. 12 mg) and the side effect profiles have not been measured clinically.

I'd be extremely cautious about recommending this compound to anyone just yet. Yes, it looks very promising and I'm a proponent of it, however, until more is known about long term effects, it is not wise to be recommending its use especially among younger users!!!

[Weah]

I agree with Sworder. I have conducted three clinical trials with enobosarm (ostarine) and while the results are promising, the long term effects of these drugs remain UNKNOWN. Most studies are conducted using doses as high as 3mg for treatment periods lasting only 16 weeks. Off label use of this compound for body building is typically done at higher doses (e.g. 12 mg) and the side effect profiles have not been measured clinically.

I'd be extremely cautious about recommending this compound to anyone just yet. Yes, it looks very promising and I'm a proponent of it, however, until more is known about long term effects, it is not wise to be recommending its use especially among younger users!!!

Okey. I will be more careful with giving advice next time, but actually Mk-677 have many properties like Hgh.

[SlimmerMe]

I never knew that! I thought that exogenous/endogenous GH has a short pulse and that you can bypass any "negative feedback" using these compounds. I guess this applies to peptides as well? Please, could you share a reference or source to this information?

Here is something Marcus 300 posted awhile back so hope this helps:

Like many hormones which are triggered by the HPTA have a negative feedback
loop, which simply means when levels are to high it will blunt the release
of any further hgh. HGH isnt just produced at night while in REM it pulses
throughout the day but the main the release is at night so taking HGH can
blunt some of the normal pulses throughout the day or night depending when
you take it. Ive read an article by Red Baron stating using exogenous HGH
will create this negative feedback on your HPTA for about 4 hours

[Sworder]

SlimmerMe, thank you very much for taking the time to explain it and refer to Marcus300. Now I won't comment on Marcus' post besides stating that I have never heard of hGH being mentioned along with the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testicular Axis. It's a united front, so to speak, if you mention specific pituitary functions that don't reflect in feedback loop of the testes. Making it wrong to say that hGH will create a negative feedback loop on the HPTA. I respectfully believe that your conclusions are wrong. It will create a short suppression but nothing worth mentioning to the degree that you did.

Thank you very much for taking the time. I sincerely appreciate it and sorry for playing hard-ball. I hate being an a$$hole, but I hate seeing wrongful information being put out even more.

Recovery of growth hormone release from suppression by exogenous insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I): evidence for a suppressive action of free rather than bound IGF-I.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9709956

Abstract

To determine the time course of recovery of GH release from insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) suppression, 11 healthy adults (18-29 yr) received, in randomized order, 4-h i.v. infusions of recombinant human IGF-I (rhIGF-I; 3 microg/kg-h) or saline (control) from 25.5-29.5 h of a 47.5-h fast. Serum GH was maximally suppressed within 2 h and remained suppressed for 2 h after the rhIGF-I infusion; during this 4-h period, GH concentrations were approximately 25% of control day levels [median (interquartile range), 1.2 (0.4-4.0) vs. 4.8 (2.8-7.9) microg/L; P < 0.05]. A rebound increase in GH concentrations occurred 5-7 h after the end of rhIGF-I infusion [7.6 (4.6 -11.7) vs. 4.3 (2.5-6.0) microg/L; P < 0.05]. Thereafter, serum GH concentrations were similar on both days. Total IGF-I concentrations peaked at the end of the rhIGF-I infusion (432 +/- 43 vs. 263 +/- 44 microg/L; P < 0.0001) and remained elevated 18 h after the rhIGF-I infusion (360 +/- 36 vs. 202 +/- 23 microg/L; P = 0.001). Free IGF-I concentrations were approximately 140% above control day values at the end of the infusion (2.1 +/- 0.4 vs. 0.88 +/- 0.3 microg/L; P = 0.001), but declined to baseline within 2 h after the infusion. The close temporal association between the resolution of GH suppression and the fall of free IGF-I concentrations, and the lack of any association with total IGF-I concentrations suggest that unbound (free), not protein-bound, IGF-I is the major IGF-I component responsible for this suppression. The rebound increase in GH concentrations after the end of rhIGF-I infusion is consistent with cessation of an inhibitory effect of free IGF-I on GH release.