Sustanon 250 - Injection Frequency

[P.Money]

Hey guys, did quite a bit of research on injection frequency since I'm about to start my cycle. Most people say EOD or E3D. I just read some guy's log:
http://www.steroid-encyclopaedia.com/blog/?p=25

It made me change my mind on how I'm going to inject. I was thinking of doing 1 injection weekly @ 750mg. I hear all you guys talking about stable blood levels, but wouldn't you say when looking at all the ester's half lives in the blend that there is always one ester sustaining the release (exactly how it was intended to be used)

Half Lives (Approx)
Propionate: 2 Days
Phenyl Propionate: 4 Days
Isocaproate: 9 Days
Decanoate: 15 Days

I know that test is test, but if we're talking stable blood levels I think that fewer injections with higher quantities is the way to go. What is you guy's opinions? Please read the posted link first.

[MickeyKnox]

I would not inject Sust once a wk. There are two short esters in there that you will not be taking advantage of. Run it twice a wk at the very least.

Why people still use this blend is beyond me. If you want a short ester, use one. If you want a long ester, use one. But not both at the same time.

Thats my .02.

p.s. i did not read the posted link..i don't need to.

[Bio-Active]

Some do eod inject but i agree every 3.5 day minimum.

[MuscleInk]

Some do eod inject but i agree every 3.5 day minimum.

EOD or MWF are common. I'd like to know what's in the Sustanon. There are so many different blends out there. I've seen 4 different ones in the past month alone.

[P.Money]

My sustanon is organon and contains 30mg prop, 60mg phenylprop, 90mg isocaproate, 100mg decanoate. And why wouldn't anyone read the link I posted. That's exactly why my opinion's changed. I'm gonna inject once a week @ 750mg. Read the link before replying please. This is the whole point of this post

[Bio-Active]

Blood levels will be more steady with more often inject bottom line. If you do once a week you will have way more sides.

[P.Money]

This guy is stating the complete opposite in his log. Did you read the log?

[MickeyKnox]

My sustanon is organon and contains 30mg prop, 60mg phenylprop, 90mg isocaproate, 100mg decanoate. And why wouldn't anyone read the link I posted. That's exactly why my opinion's changed. I'm gonna inject once a week @ 750mg. Read the link before replying please. This is the whole point of this post

If that's the case, why bother wasting bandwidth with this unnecessary question? (this is a rhetorical question - no need to respond)

[MuscleInk]

My sustanon is organon and contains 30mg prop, 60mg phenylprop, 90mg isocaproate, 100mg decanoate. And why wouldn't anyone read the link I posted. That's exactly why my opinion's changed. I'm gonna inject once a week @ 750mg. Read the link before replying please. This is the whole point of this post

Do what you want and don't bother asking. I'm running a similar compound with great results dosing MWF. Lean gains and levels "feel" consistent. Obviously BW would be definitive.

Good luck.

[P.Money]

Like I mentioned in my first post, I will be injecting at that dosage. I was basically asking for you guy's opinion on the article. None of you have made a valid point as to why blood levels would be more stable. The log clearly states that he ran blood tests during his cycle with the shotgun approach and had absolutely inconsistent blood levels. Back your point with either research,logs or personnal experience if you're going to try and make one. Thanks.

[warmouth]

I wouldnt use sustanon anyways. If you can get a single ester, get that. That way you KNOW you can stablize blood levels. Once a week pinning of that stuff would be a waste, even at 1000mgs in my opinion. I would do the MWF as MuscleInk stated. I like the idea of EOD personally.

[P.Money]

I already have 50 amps of the stuff. Can't go back now. So what exactly is Sustained release? What is the point of that design. Wouldn't organon have made quite a bit of research to ensure that the administered patients get stable blood levels with their product? Less sides, better product.

[warmouth]

It was intended for use for TRT patients. After all was said and done, Test C and E were both more reliable. For some reason, people still produce this. Too many esters, and who knows how they are really dosed each. I just feel, as many others, 1 single ester is better. Sus has some esters that should be administered ED, and some are ok for once a week. No way of stablizing unless they are ED or EOD at best. Or 2x weekly dosed REALLY HIGH.

[P.Money]

So what exactly is your point though? TRT Patient get unstable blood levels? Makes no sense to me. If anything you'd think gear that's made for TRT patients would be headache free, side effects free or minimal.

[MuscleInk]

So what exactly is your point though? TRT Patient get unstable blood levels? Makes no sense to me. If anything you'd think gear that's made for TRT patients would be headache free, side effects free or minimal.

TRT patients do NOT get unstable levels. Injectables are given at lower concentrations (typically 150-300mg/wk) with long esters. At such doses, the peaks and drops in serum levels are less and the dose response curves are flatter. Unlike people who cycle in which much larger doses (500mg/week and higher) are administered. If a single 750mg dose was injected, typically a large peak concentration will be achieved shortly after dosing and serum concentrations will begin to fall until the next dose is given. The rate at which serum concentrations rise and fall vary according to many factors, including but not limited to dose, ester, frequency of treatment, etc.

When transdermals are used for TRT, the concentrations are typically lower, applied more frequently, as serum levels of testosterone more stable with less of a peak and drop.

[warmouth]

^^^This. Sustanon was created for TRT, short esters for immediate actions, long esters for downthe road. The problem was that the shorts wore off quickly, which lead to the longs not being sufficiently dosed. This is why Sus is hardly ever used by doctors anymore, as single esters are more productive and the easiest and most accurate to dose.

[P.Money]

It's so hard to make a choice here, I seem to get mixed information from many people. So warmouth, according to your theory though, if you inject sust at high dosages the short ester's concentration will be higher, which would in fact make sense as to why the guy in his post said the only way it worked for him was right around 1000mg/injection.

[warmouth]

I wouldnt use sustanon at all personally. IF i did, I would pin 250mgs MWF, but thats alot of test over a short time, but it is how I would do it. Of course I would have to run a powerful AI Iam sure.

[P.Money]

Well I decided to go with injections E3.5D. Did 1.5cc last night. Go lots of Adex on hand. Time will tell I suppose, everybody's body is different and reacts differently. Gosh took me forever to push that through my quad, I heated it up and was pinning with a 23g

[Buster Brown]

Every 3.5 days will work fine, might just take an extra week or so to really kick in. Some people like Sus, some don't. You already have a boat-load and will have to make it work for you.

[HitIt]

why use real sust from organon? because it's human grade. every 3.5 days is fine.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UJAIArSAb8s

[P.Money]

Exactly what I was trying to explain. Also, I only use human grade stuff to cycle. Money isn't an object for me when it comes to messing with my body. My stuff is organon and its definitely legit. It gives me some peace of mind which is priceless compared to ugl gear.

[Juced_porkchop]

I would not inject Sust once a wk. There are two short esters in there that you will not be taking advantage of. Run it twice a wk at the very least.

Why people still use this blend is beyond me. If you want a short ester, use one. If you want a long ester, use one. But not both at the same time.

Thats my .02.

p.s. i did not read the posted link..i don't need to.

its not trenp and teste , then i would agree about (There are two short esters in there that you will not be taking advantage of)
but the facts is its test. and there is still test from the other esters being released and active.



but i do agree 2X a week seems to be optimal. but 1X is not the worst and has not caused me issue.

Pin the sust 2X aweek
NO NEED FOR EOD like alot like to preach.

[Juced_porkchop]

Every 3.5 days will work fine, might just take an extra week or so to really kick in. Some people like Sus, some don't. You already have a boat-load and will have to make it work for you.

I LOVE Omnadren because its HG and cheap, other wise i dont like blends, i get one ester at a high mg/ml if i can .

[Juced_porkchop]

^^^This. Sustanon was created for TRT, short esters for immediate actions, long esters for downthe road. The problem was that the shorts wore off quickly, which lead to the longs not being sufficiently dosed. This is why Sus is hardly ever used by doctors anymore, as single esters are more productive and the easiest and most accurate to dose.

and teste/cyp hits its peek per dose in only a few days...... it take weeks to notice results but its working in just days even for long ester.

but i agree the idea was a bit flawed.
test dec or undec is future for HRT. build up levels to a stable levels and continue with dose (which can be weeks apart)
but for cycles i rec teste or cyp also

[warmouth]

and teste/cyp hits its peek per dose in only a few days...... it take weeks to notice results but its working in just days even for long ester.

but i agree the idea was a bit flawed.
test dec or undec is future for HRT. build up levels to a stable levels and continue with dose (which can be weeks apart)
but for cycles i rec teste or cyp also

I wish the future was NOW! Test deconate would be amazing for TRT. In my opinion, sustanon is/was a flawed idea as well. I have seen sus from UGLs use 1 long ester, 3 shorts. I have seen so many different blends that it is just too confusing to use as a part of a cycle, unless that cycle is going to be using another compound as the primary anabolic and doesnt require higher amounts of test.

[Silat50]

It's so hard to make a choice here, I seem to get mixed information from many people. So warmouth, according to your theory though, if you inject sust at high dosages the short ester's concentration will be higher, which would in fact make sense as to why the guy in his post said the only way it worked for him was right around 1000mg/injection.

I have a great idea. After not using roids since Lou Ferrigno won Mt Universe, Im 30 yrs behind the times. Guess what I found out. Its still all about enantate,deca and dianabol to most users after all this time. Same thing I was on. And thats why, like you I am trying sust for my 1st cycle comeback. Look at it this way....if it didnt work really well with at least some athletes...it would be gone by now. Although enanthat is far cheaper. So this oldie/newbie's advice to you is: DO AS YOU PLANNED. LISTEN TO YOUR GUT. You arent spending gobs of money or taking dangerous amounts. Try it once, you dont like it, split it up in to 2-3x a wek. This isnt rocket science. For me, m "insurance" that the quick acting esters work is I started on 20mg dianabol for a week before, so now I have 3 short acting test's hitting me. Hell you can probably toss in to the soup winstrol, anavar, anything for a week or 2 to get you rolling till the sust takes off.

My middle game is going to just do once a week 250ml of test and every 3 days 250ml sust mixed with enanthate. Im praying that sust just happens to agree with me the way whatever arnold used agreed with him. 50% of that!!!!! Good luck all. Just keep it safe, keep experimenting as everyones body is different, and if you are ever thinking of swallowing 100 dbol pills at one time, just check yourself in bro. And take up bike riding. Seriously, you may even find that going mostly on orals and just taking 1 shot of something a week suits your body better. But only time will tell, not others posts.

[ChiveOn]

A lot of haters for blends on this forum. Rightfully so I guess. I used sust in my cycle I just finished and I would certainly stick to a single ester from now on. Not to say I didn't gain well it just seems smarter. I pinned 250mg E3D. 30prop 60phenyl 60iso 100decan