Clen & T4 cycle help

[mex83]

I am have done a clen cycle years ago and did work, now I was recommended to do a clen & T4 cycle to shed fat. I found a contact here in town, I bought the product. He said he was going to send me the cycle to follow but that was Thursday and I still have no cycle. I tried 40 MCG on Saturday and tonight and helpt the sweating and the extra power to work out so the product is good stuff.

I need your help with a good cycle.. my current stats are 5'11, 275, BMI 30%. Currently doing the Ketoes meal and working out 5 days a week for 2hours.

Monday- lower back/legs cardio
Tuesday - cardio
Wednesday off
Thursday Arms/chest/shoulders/cardio
Friday cardio
Saturday full body workout/ cario

Also I tried 12 mcg of t4 just to try it and did experience the effects, I had a slight body heat increase, drastic increase in hunger, and sleepiness.


Can someone help me with a cycle please, also let me know if its ok to take the T4 at night to prevent from falling asleep at work lol.

Any help would be appreciated.

[qscgugcsq]

keep up with clen ketotifen
... t4 will burn your muscle more than your fat' the anticatabolic effect of clen wont be enough...

And you should be able to drop bf pretty fast with diet and cardio only no need to take clen for that 30% is fairly easy to drop.

Good luck

[mex83]

I have gone from 360 jan 2012 down to 275 oct 2012.

So no need to take T4? Now I need to find keto.

I have dropped bf but not as I should according to my naturalist. That's why I decided to start the cycle. I have done a clen cycle before but that was like 5 years ago. That's why I need someone to help with a cycle sample.

[qscgugcsq]

listen i dont really care about your naturiste... 85 pounds in 10months is an very healthy and good fat lost... sure you could lose more. but if you can keep up with this rate(and if you are fine with it) keep going. Its awesome you must be proud of you!!

if you can get a better diet and training without sacrifice your quality of life go for it but if you cant well it can be an alternatif.

[qscgugcsq]

Ill start a cycle next month of clen and mine is

20-40-60-80-100 mcg per day I increase when my side are fine. with 2mg daily. 3 mg would be better but 2mg will be enough IMO also ill take 5g taurine daily.

You already did a cycle so you know how you react. start with low dose better safe than sorry. its a very powerful compound.

[qscgugcsq]

still... you need to do some research about these product. so youll be able to know what could happen and how to deal with. but i still believe that you can do it without that..

Good luck and keep your great work

[mex83]

Very proud man. I was looking up keto and it makes you gain weight.

I think I'll just stick to good old clen. Yeah I vaguely remember how to cycle with clen.

[mex83]

I always do my research lol I did it with the keto right when you mentioned it.

[qscgugcsq]

good to know. where did you see it make gain weight i know it gain increase appetite but if you take it the before sleep it will help you ro sleep and the appetite wont show up... with what i read it help to lose fate because it reduce the tnf-alpha and keep the clen effectif

[mex83]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketotifen

I could take the T4 before bed to have the same effect minus the nosebleeds

[qscgugcsq]

Yeah I also read a post on this forum saying that keto is used to gain mass because of the increased appetite that certainly the same reason why they write it on wiki. yea t4 would do the same thing but like i said is to save your muscle mass...

did you ever try ECA??

[qscgugcsq]

ECA seems greatly appreciate on this forum. Well... lets talk about it later my phone will die soon XD

[mex83]

I don't know about ECA hardcore stuff. I want toolset weight but not be at high death risk. Lol. Yeah mine will die soon also.

[t-dogg]

I wouldnt run t4 without being on a cycle. Stick with clen.

Your diet and cardio should be in good shape or running clen will be pointless.

[qscgugcsq]

I think clen is more hardcore than ECA... but i never tried it so I cant tell XD

[t-dogg]

I think clen is more hardcore than ECA... but i never tried it so I cant tell XD

Yes clen can be harder on your body.

[mex83]

Worse than ephedra caffeine and aspirin all together ? I could see if you are using over 120mcgs a day how it would be hard on the body.

Btw I am planning on doing a clen t4 cycle T Dogg

[t-dogg]

Worse than ephedra caffeine and aspirin all together ? I could see if you are using over 120mcgs a day how it would be hard on the body.

Btw I am planning on doing a clen t4 cycle T Dogg

Have you researched at all?

[mex83]

Have you researched at all?

Have you read the thread? or just started posting? I have done my research otherwise how would I know what ECA stands for and the combo it is made out of. How would I know that T3 & T4 are thyroid hormone meds used to make your thyroids work faster, and the effects it has. How would I know that clen is used in asthma cases and its used to make your last longer enhances your oxygen intake and its a thermo med which elevates your body temp. How would I know that Keto side effects include dry mouth, nosebleeds, and most important in my case weight gain, which is what I dont want.

I would rather use clen than ECA in my case since I have used clen and I am still alive with no side effects, ECA in the other hand sounds like a way to make your heart rate elevate so much it can explode. I read the reviews on all meds before starting a cycle. Not trying to be an ass or come off as stuck up but I am not 100% newbie I just took a long break and forgot about to do the clen cycle.

[qscgugcsq]

Mex the weight gain is cause by the increased appetite but you wont feel it you must take it before bed so you can sleep.

Clen is most probably harder than ECA

and Clen decrease the appetite.

You feel the clen during the day and keto during the night(where you are supose to sleep and not eat.)

And the t3/t4 also increase the appetite so it can lead to weight gain. But most important it will burn more muscle than fat...

Its better to lose 10 lbs of fat than 15 lbs of fat and 5lbs of muscle...

T3/T4 must be used in cycle(AAS) so the anabolic effect of the test and other compound could compensate for the catabolic effect of T3/T4

ECA is one the best one to decrease appetite. but he stimule less than clen

[mex83]

Thanks for the info always good to learn more. One is not orb knowing every thing.

The reason why I am iffy and a bit scared about running ECA since I had high blood pressure when I was at 350 lbs. now it's been controlled and at good levels but it could after it if I drink to much coffee or even use aspirin at times. Imagine off had all three during the cycle my levels would go off the roof.

I could deal with not taking the T4 it was only 5 bucks. I am sure I can get the keto no problem. You suggest I do a clen / keto cycle since I really don't want to try a ECA / keto cycle ?

[qscgugcsq]

clen/keto seems a better choice but still if you have Pressure issus... you should stay away from that... if you really want to give it a shot keep a close eyes on your pressure and stop at the first sign of danger...

[mex83]

Thanks I have tried two days of 40 mcgs of just the clen and actually my pressure levels are better lol. Lowered strange huh. I tried the T4 one day just half 12mcgs and I was hungry like a street dog and was very sleepy size I took it in the am at work. Lol.

[t-dogg]

Have you read the thread? or just started posting? I have done my research otherwise how would I know what ECA stands for and the combo it is made out of. How would I know that T3 & T4 are thyroid hormone meds used to make your thyroids work faster, and the effects it has. How would I know that clen is used in asthma cases and its used to make your last longer enhances your oxygen intake and its a thermo med which elevates your body temp. How would I know that Keto side effects include dry mouth, nosebleeds, and most important in my case weight gain, which is what I dont want.

I would rather use clen than ECA in my case since I have used clen and I am still alive with no side effects, ECA in the other hand sounds like a way to make your heart rate elevate so much it can explode. I read the reviews on all meds before starting a cycle. Not trying to be an ass or come off as stuck up but I am not 100% newbie I just took a long break and forgot about to do the clen cycle.

OK, so you know most people will not recommend t3/t4 while not on gear. Why, because you are going to lose muscle while not on it. Kinda defeats the ideal of it, unless you have a medical issue.


Good luck.

[mex83]

Thanks T Dogg. I have a history of high blood pressure that started after my fall bladder was removed. It's back to normal levels but I will stay away from ECa.

On another note I found keto in syrup and pills of 1 gram. For about 26 bucks. You agree I should do a keto/ clen cycle? Nothing heavy of course just need a lil help.

[qscgugcsq]

You can also get it from Ar-r low price and awesome quality.(you also can get clen + taurine) you can find everything you need

[mex83]

Taurine let me looking up

[t-dogg]

Thanks T Dogg. I have a history of high blood pressure that started after my fall bladder was removed. It's back to normal levels but I will stay away from ECa.

On another note I found keto in syrup and pills of 1 gram. For about 26 bucks. You agree I should do a keto/ clen cycle? Nothing heavy of course just need a lil help.

If you are not running clen 2wks on/off yes you have to use keto to get the full effects of clen. You also need to increase water intake, take tourine pills, and you may have to take pass pills. "pending if you get cramps on pass"



If you have high bp then I dont know if you should run clen as it will raise it. May want to look into gw501516, imo its way better then clen, no sides.

[mex83]

I have been doing 40 mcgs of clen since Saturday and nothing has happened to my pressure levels as a matter of fact they are more normal than before lol I love clen what can I say I know it works.

whats GW501516 sounds like a username lmfao.

[qscgugcsq]

Good to know wish you great bf drop