1st Cycle Trenbolone & Anavar ?!?

[Garth333]

Hi... Im 31, about 160lbs, 5'9" & about 14% Body Fat...

I led a very wild life style up until 5 months ago when I started gyming for the 1st time.... Iv been going 5 times a week, every week, for the 5 months...

I am doing a variation of FST-7 & Core traing & I work very hard... I have noticed a big difference in the 5 months but I want more & been 31 I dont really want to wait too long to enjoy results I may/may not get in 1-3 years...

I don't want to be massive but I do want to be big but more than anything I want to be shredded... Zyzz like is my goal!!!

I know he was on a whole lot of all sorts but I know the hard work I put in with the right diet & correct gear will get me there soon but I need you guys to help me out on the gear side of my training...

I have done a lot of research & spoke to who I can and I am thinking of doing Trenbolone & Anavar for my 1st ever cycle... I want to do these 2 due to their hard gains, small amount of water gains & bloating, strength gains & the fat loss potential of anavar in the problem areas i have i.e. belly!

Im hoping someone could not only say yay or nay but also advise on dosage & whether i should inject the tren & or var... & Length of cycle, plus PCT advice.

Cheers.

[trenbolone1]

Hi... Im 31, about 160lbs, 5'9" & about 14% Body Fat...

I led a very wild life style up until 5 months ago when I started gyming for the 1st time.... Iv been going 5 times a week, every week, for the 5 months...

I am doing a variation of FST-7 & Core traing & I work very hard... I have noticed a big difference in the 5 months but I want more & been 31 I dont really want to wait too long to enjoy results I may/may not get in 1-3 years...

I don't want to be massive but I do want to be big but more than anything I want to be shredded... Zyzz like is my goal!!!

I know he was on a whole lot of all sorts but I know the hard work I put in with the right diet & correct gear will get me there soon but I need you guys to help me out on the gear side of my training...

I have done a lot of research & spoke to who I can and I am thinking of doing Trenbolone & Anavar for my 1st ever cycle... I want to do these 2 due to their hard gains, small amount of water gains & bloating, strength gains & the fat loss potential of anavar in the problem areas i have i.e. belly!

Im hoping someone could not only say yay or nay but also advise on dosage & whether i should inject the tren & or var... & Length of cycle, plus PCT advice.

Cheers.

First off u need test, second, u tren is to harsh for a first cycle

[songdog]

1st off you dont run Tren without test.2nd you havent been working out long enough to even consider aas.Your muscles will get stronger faster than your tendons ligaments and joints.So in the end you will injure yourself.And I would also suggest you do some research before you start a cycle.Beacuse I promise you that if you ran this cycle you wouldnt be the same again.

[Garth333]

I have asked about what to start with and dbol comes up a lot but I like the sound of hard non watery gains... I mentioned this to someone who has a long history with gear at the gym & he said if I was to go down this rout, as it was my 1st cycle I should see good results from the tren even if I only used a small dose compared to what is recommended for use by someone who is well on in their roid cycles... Also the small water gains would be gotten rid of by the anavar which I feel i could take a decent amount of due to its safer steroid reputation & this would help with my goal to get ripped asap.

Or is all i have just said nonsense??? I truly dont think I know anything about this & have only the things I have read & heard to go on so please feel free to point me in the right direction.

[Garth333]

1st off you dont run Tren without test.2nd you havent been working out long enough to even consider aas.Your muscles will get stronger faster than your tendons ligaments and joints.So in the end you will injure yourself.And I would also suggest you do some research before you start a cycle.Beacuse I promise you that if you ran this cycle you wouldnt be the same again.

I do understand the point of training longer before I was to start & this is my research tbh as my idea is to start in 6 months to a year, but I am impatient & the lack of gym in my life has been very mildly substituted with very physical jobs & energetic lifestyle, I am on par in strength with some people who have been gyming for longer...

Please dont think I would do anything without caution & research, this is why I am here to get advice & direction.

What would you recomend I took with Tren & Var... If I was at a point where I was ready to take it?

[Chx beach 79]

If you want to get ripped its simple! Raise cardio lower carbs! I got down to single digits bf with that formula!

I've been lifting 5 years consistently and haven't used aas yet, I started at 182 lb. 22% body fat and now I'm 227lbs 10% bf. and I am just now seeing plateaus. Workout for at least another year and get to where you can run 10 miles without breaking a sweat first!

[DeniZen]

Welcome Garth333,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you don't obviously don't know anything about steriods . Your buddies at the gym are clueless. Tren is a harsh steroid , and even very experienced bodybuilders stay away from it after a couple bad experiences. If you want success, do it by the book. Learn how to eat and train first and grow like hell. After a couple of years of natural growth you'll be ready for gear.

If you want to succeed and stay healthy, do exactly what these guys tell you!

[kelkel]

You've been given some good advice above. Start by reading the sticky threads here and just visiting the various forums here and learning. The "bro science" your getting in the gym is not good, nor safe. Be patient. Strongly suggest you hold off a bit. I understand the impatience but you've only been in the guy 5 months. That's nothing really. You can make tremendous gains just with continued quality workouts and a great diet. Arguably 15 lbs of muscle in a year or so starting out. That's a lot of muscle!

Your first step should be to analyze your diet and training. There's a nutrition forum here that will help you do it. Nutritionists for free...worth a shot right? When the time comes for your first cycle it should be test only, an AI and HCG . Done properly water weight, etc. should not be an issue. Then you have pct to deal with. So, you have a lot to learn and are in the right place to do it. Stick around, read and contribute!

Kel

[Garth333]

If you want to get ripped its simple! Raise cardio lower carbs! I got down to single digits bf with that formula!

I've been lifting 5 years consistently and haven't used aas yet, I started at 182 lb. 22% body fat and now I'm 227lbs 10% bf. and I am just now seeing plateaus. Workout for at least another year and get to where you can run 10 miles without breaking a sweat first!

I dont want to sound lazy but I aint in it for cardio... I took this way of life, & please believe me I am committed & addicted, to get me out of a deadly downward spiral in which I was heading & i will never look back but cardio isnt something I feel I could or would want to do... I came on hear as I would like to have some knowledge info so that I could get to where I want to be, in maybe 6 months/ a year, without the cardio, certainly not 10 miles... I admire you for doing that but it aint me but saying that my cardio has always been above par since my high school long distance running & cross country.

My diet is pretty good, If anything i just dont have time to eat more due to work but its full of everything from chicken to brocolli from flax seed oil to coconut oil from pumpkin seeds to peanut butter...

I just wondered if the mixture of Tren & var would help get the results I want & what i should take as well/instead.

[kelkel]

My diet is pretty good, If anything i just dont have time to eat more due to work but its full of everything from chicken to brocolli from flax seed oil to coconut oil from pumpkin seeds to peanut butter...

I just wondered if the mixture of Tren & var would help get the results I want & what i should take as well/instead.

All your answers are above. Regarding eating enough, if you don't no amount of aas will help you gain muscle and you will seriously be wasting money and risking your health. If it was just how much people injected, etc then we'd all be Arnold.

Good luck with the path you choose Garth!

[Garth333]

Welcome Garth333,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you don't obviously don't know anything about steriods . Your buddies at the gym are clueless. Tren is a harsh steroid , and even very experienced bodybuilders stay away from it after a couple bad experiences. If you want success, do it by the book. Learn how to eat and train first and grow like hell. After a couple of years of natural growth you'll be ready for gear.

If you want to succeed and stay healthy, do exactly what these guys tell you!

Hi... Cheers for the advice & believe me I am her to listen to all you guys have to say... I do a lot of reading about the roids & what they do but I find it hard to find out how toke them & when etc... Oh & i truly know I know nothing about this subject... I have listened to people about waiting until I have been seriously gyming for longer & to have a good diet & my diet is pretty dam boring... err i mean good!

I know people do do roids with success with only a year in the gym & I feel that I am at a good age to start, not too young, & I just would like to know what would be best for someone like myself to start off with & I just liked the kind of results that tren & var where said to give & I just dont want quick, massive, watery, bloated gains so thought this combination would work for my needs/wants... Im thinking I may have been a little wrong.

[Chx beach 79]

If getting ripped is important than the cardio and diet will do way more than the steroids ! I've been getting that advise forever, although it is slow. Try posting a thread that says what steroids get you ripped and you will see the most ripped people on here will tell you that the cardio and diet is way more important than the steroids with 0 side effects and 0 cost to you.

[diabolicsoul]

Read the stickies posted around here, those will help you out immensely.

Some helpful info is to get the idea of using tren and var for a first cycle. You can add in the tren after you gain some experience by having a good few cycles under your belt.

A first cycle should be just test with the proper protocols ( AI with a proper PCT, HCG )

Also, I'm sure you heard this before, but working out is a marathon not a sprint.

Before you consider a cycle, you want to have your diet and training spot on. You are just wasting your time and money otherwise.

[Garth333]

All your answers are above. Regarding eating enough, if you don't no amount of aas will help you gain muscle and you will seriously be wasting money and risking your health. If it was just how much people injected, etc then we'd all be Arnold.

Good luck with the path you choose Garth!

Cheers... Eating enough is 1st on my list, I am 99.9% there, its just sometimes I might miss a window but will make it up with a shake &/or move my window till a little later on... Work is just a necessary evil but I am doin all I can... & more than most for that matter who I see doing (annoyingly) well on the cycles.

Thanks for the advice though & if you have any advice on what to take to get the gains & im after when I do decide to do it (in a bout 6/9months) with amounts it'd be well received.

Cheers

[ShredMN]

31 year old that appreciates what Zyzz has done for the fitness community, (besides being a party animal on drugs) I like this guy. However, like others have said, I'd probably wait a bit longer. If you really are set on using some kind of crutch to gain mass quicker, I've had really good results with a natty test booster called Test Freak by PharmaFreak. It's rather expensive though, but the ingredient list is pretty good in my opinion, and there is no proprietary blend b***shit, all of the ingredients have the amount along side them.

[Garth333]

If getting ripped is important than the cardio and diet will do way more than the steroids! I've been getting that advise forever, although it is slow. Try posting a thread that says what steroids get you ripped and you will see the most ripped people on here will tell you that the cardio and diet is way more important than the steroids with 0 side effects and 0 cost to you.

Cheers... Guess I will be getting my running shoes back on then!

[ShredMN]

I dont want to sound lazy but I aint in it for cardio.

A lot of people don't do a single bit of cardio when they cut, mostly due to it being catabolic. It's as simple as consuming less calories than you burn, a calorie deficit. Sure cardio might help you burn more calories, but it also tears away at hard earned muscle. But if your diet is in check, there really isn't a reason to do cardio other than the way it benefits your heart.

[Garth333]

Yer zyzz was a sikcnt... would have loved to have been a round the guy & devastated, but not really surprised, how it all ended... This is why I am seeking the advice of you guys...

My problem is I am will to put in the effoert & I do every day 5 days a week... more than anyone in the gym, & I mistakenly took a supp called SD1
Ingredients
10mg Methasterone(Superdrol),30mg Trenbolone (-m) , 90 capsules per tub, which i think was basically gear

I noticed some great gains & this was before i had my diet totally sorted...

I know most people will hate me saying this & trust me I know exactly why & do agree but I just want quick results that I can then keep & then maintain through hard work & hoped there would be some perfect combination for what I wanted.

[kelkel]

A lot of people don't do a single bit of cardio when they cut, mostly due to it being catabolic. It's as simple as consuming less calories than you burn, a calorie deficit. Sure cardio might help you burn more calories, but it also tears away at hard earned muscle. But if your diet is in check, there really isn't a reason to do cardio other than the way it benefits your heart.

Don't hear that often enough. I've never done cardio. Don't plan on starting unless i have to...

[austinite]

Don't hear that often enough. I've never done cardio. Don't plan on starting unless i have to...

[Garth333]

Don't hear that often enough. I've never done cardio. Don't plan on starting unless i have to...

Thank goodness for that... I work hard doing FST-7 style training and that really burns the calories & I also have been told that too much cardio can ruin gains, but again I am not stating this as a fact just what i have heard.

My diet is pretty dam good & only gets better...

[Chx beach 79]

You guys don't do cardio! Maybe I am wrong! I was always told if I wanted to be ripped I had to do cardio, plus when gaining mass it helps with overall heart health! Not to mention the high I get after I run.

[kelkel]

I never implied there's anything wrong with it at all! I seriously don't think I'm normal in that respect. I just luckily have a fast metabolism and have trouble gaining weight as I'm a natural ectomorph. If I had anything near an issue with BF I'd be all over it hating every minute. As long as my BW is on target (lipids, etc) as well as BP (120/80) and pulse (52-53 resting) I'm figuratively fat and happy.

Sorry Aust! How do you find me whenever I mention cardio. Jeez....

[Chx beach 79]

A hard cardio session can make you feel 10 ft. Tall and bulletproof! It always sucks at the beginning but ends up like a orgasm in the end! Plus it allows me to eat crap foods and not get fat! I might be wrong but I'm opened to any changes. Of course I've never been on any real cycles yet so I could be way of course.

[kelkel]

If it's something you like, why change it! When I'm over 50 I'll probably start it........crap, late again.

[Chx beach 79]

That's funny! Just make sure to ice the knees!

[christian123]

The zyzz comment makes me wonder if he's 31 lol
Just joking but ya man they gave u good advices

Test 12 weeks 500mg /week + AI andPCT!

But you need to havr agood diet!
And FMO Your too "young" in the gym to start jucing

[Garth333]

Cheers 1 & all... I had no idea what I needed nor what I should be doing... I do want to start before most of you think I should but I will definitely wait until i have been gyming a year min...

I thought I had a good combination with tren & var & I look forward to giving it a go in the future, by then i will hopefull know what would be good to take with it i.e. test/AI & a good PCT

See you all on my next stupid thread... Thanks

[t-dogg]

Hi... Im 31, about 160lbs, 5'9" & about 14% Body Fat...

I led a very wild life style up until 5 months ago when I started gyming for the 1st time.... Iv been going 5 times a week, every week, for the 5 months...

I am doing a variation of FST-7 & Core traing & I work very hard... I have noticed a big difference in the 5 months but I want more & been 31 I dont really want to wait too long to enjoy results I may/may not get in 1-3 years...

I don't want to be massive but I do want to be big but more than anything I want to be shredded... Zyzz like is my goal!!!

I know he was on a whole lot of all sorts but I know the hard work I put in with the right diet & correct gear will get me there soon but I need you guys to help me out on the gear side of my training...

I have done a lot of research & spoke to who I can and I am thinking of doing Trenbolone & Anavar for my 1st ever cycle... I want to do these 2 due to their hard gains, small amount of water gains & bloating, strength gains & the fat loss potential of anavar in the problem areas i have i.e. belly!

Im hoping someone could not only say yay or nay but also advise on dosage & whether i should inject the tren & or var... & Length of cycle, plus PCT advice.

Cheers.

At only 5mnths in a gym I dont recommend any gear. Your body isnt ready for it. You should at least have a year of lifting min. If not you have a big chance of hurting yourself.