Advantages to short cycles?

[Buster Brown]

I have been digging through some of the older educational threads and have been reading up on short cycles. I don't hear/read to much about guys currently using this practice possibly due to the fact that it is for the more advanced user. Has anyone had good success with them to a point where they no longer do 10 week plus cycles anymore? Any input guys?

[Juced_porkchop]

I think short cycles are a wast of a possibly very good cycle..... i mean its still messing with system and you need/should have pct, sur ea bit more shut down, but i feel liek its more worth while for slow steady gains then a bunch of rush/short cycles.
I dont like them "my" short cycle is 14wks. med 14-16 , long 18-20.

norm i do 14-16.

of course i am not talking about oral i only use them 4-6 weeks myself and only maybe 1-2 times a year.
i try to avoid orals.

but i have seem some that like it so to each his own.

[freddy1418]

I have been digging through some of the older educational threads and have been reading up on short cycles. I don't hear/read to much about guys currently using this practice possibly due to the fact that it is for the more advanced user. Has anyone had good success with them to a point where they no longer do 10 week plus cycles anymore? Any input guys?

Alpt of guys love short 8 week cycles.. using short esters.. its fast in and fast out being able to pct faster and get back on cycle faster as well.. there is many who do this with a lot of success...

[MickeyKnox]

Im a big fan of short cycles. Get in and get out with the least amount of stress and intrusion on the endocrine and CNS systems. I know diet is crucial but, all things considered, I believe more people retain more gains off of short blasts than longer cycles.

Having said that, im on a long cycle as we speak. Im such a hypocrite. lol

[Buster Brown]

For the upcoming year I will try both. First will be a long (for me) 10 to12 week cycle with a long esther and secondly a shorter 6-8 week cycle with short esther. That way I get the prescribed time off and two cycles in a year and will be able to compare.

[marcus300]

Short cycling is the best method of cycling for gains and sides......Yes thats right you heard me lol

IMHO if you prime the body correctly and design a short cycle using the correct compounds you can have excellent gains what top any long/medium length cycle.

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ned&highlight=

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...before-cycling..

[human project]

For the upcoming year I will try both. First will be a long (for me) 10 to12 week cycle with a long esther and secondly a shorter 6-8 week cycle with short esther. That way I get the prescribed time off and two cycles in a year and will be able to compare.

I think with the duration of cycles you plan the short will show more results quicker but it you were to extend the long ester cycle 15-20 weeks you would not only get more gains but they would be easier to retain. That's just what past experience has show for me.

[Buster Brown]

I must say the bulk of reading I am doing comes from what Marcus has posted. I guess I wasn't sure if it was alive and well or not. I think the only thing that scares me a bit is if I was to do several short burst cycles, would I then be a candidate for Trt? I am 42 and have all the children I need so I am not concerned about that aspect if I did have to go on Trt. Blood work at the point would obviously dictate the outcome however, I am wondering if I would "most likely" be headed for Trt at that point? At 42 and at 5'10 190/192 lbs. probably at 13% bf (according to my cheap calipers) I would like to gain a sloid 10 lbs of lean mass over the next three years. By the time I am 45 I would like to be in maintenance mode, but who knows?

[freddy1418]

I must say the bulk of reading I am doing comes from what Marcus has posted. I guess I wasn't sure if it was alive and well or not. I think the only thing that scares me a bit is if I was to do several short burst cycles, would I then be a candidate for Trt? I am 42 and have all the children I need so I am not concerned about that aspect if I did have to go on Trt. Blood work at the point would obviously dictate the outcome however, I am wondering if I would "most likely" be headed for Trt at that point? At 42 and at 5'10 190/192 lbs. probably at 13% bf (according to my cheap calipers) I would like to gain a sloid 10 lbs of lean mass over the next three years. By the time I am 45 I would like to be in maintenance mode, but who knows?

You should be able to do that in 1 solid cycle lol max of 1 year with a solid diet... and trt is always a possibility no matter what age you are but definately increases as your age does... id say your prob pretty close to trt imo. It it obviously depends on person for person

[human project]

You should be able to do that in 1 solid cycle lol max of 1 year with a solid diet... and trt is always a possibility no matter what age you are but definately increases as your age does... id say your prob pretty close to trt imo. It it obviously depends on person for person

Ya you should be able to carb load and gain near that much or maybe try adding 100g of carbs and 50g of protein "one extra meal" and in a month or two you should easily gain 10lbs.

[Buster Brown]

You guys are right, I am probably close to Trt given my age. I haven't gotten blood work since 2011 and my doctor said at the time everything looked ok at that point. I will be getting bloodwork done in late November and will be paying mush closer attention to the actual numbers (at the time I wasn't interested). I know I can easily gain 10 lbs. on cycle but what I would like to see is a bit of a decrease in bodyfat while gaining quality muscle over a few years. I am of the opinion that out of the (let's say hypothetically) 10 pounds you gain on cycle you are very lucky if 4-5 lbs. of that is solid muscle. So over the long term I will have to lose the bad weight that I gain to make the good weight shine.

[freddy1418]

You guys are right, I am probably close to Trt given my age. I haven't gotten blood work since 2011 and my doctor said at the time everything looked ok at that point. I will be getting bloodwork done in late November and will be paying mush closer attention to the actual numbers (at the time I wasn't interested). I know I can easily gain 10 lbs. on cycle but what I would like to see is a bit of a decrease in bodyfat while gaining quality muscle over a few years. I am of the opinion that out of the (let's say hypothetically) 10 pounds you gain on cycle you are very lucky if 4-5 lbs. of that is solid muscle. So over the long term I will have to lose the bad weight that I gain to make the good weight shine.

That's what the juice is for (more muscle and less bf) depending on how close your are to your genetic limits you could gain more then 5lbs of muscle (if you train hard and diet tight)

[Muscletech]

I thought that shorter cycle with very short esters in much better than long cycles..

[Buster Brown]

Ya you should be able to carb load and gain near that much or maybe try adding 100g of carbs and 50g of protein "one extra meal" and in a month or two you should easily gain 10lbs.

I might gain 10 lbs.....but I know it wouldn't be pretty (lol)

[Buster Brown]

That's what the juice is for (more muscle and less bf) depending on how close your are to your genetic limits you could gain more then 5lbs of muscle (if you train hard and diet tight)

Well, maybe. I am a medium framed guy and remembering what I looked like in my 20's, 200 lbs. was real big for me. I am just trying to set realistic goals for myself and give myself a big enough window of time to do it in. I like the idea of the short cycle because my last cycle, The gains had really slowed by week 8 despite increasing my calories in accordance with my new weight and varying my workout.

[freddy1418]

Well, maybe. I am a medium framed guy and remembering what I looked like in my 20's, 200 lbs. was real big for me. I am just trying to set realistic goals for myself and give myself a big enough window of time to do it in. I like the idea of the short cycle because my last cycle, The gains had really slowed by week 8 despite increasing my calories in accordance with my new weight and varying my workout.

I hear you but imo once you plateau and stay at a certain weight I like to give my body a few weeks at that weight so it can kinda get used to it rather then come right off and feel like I will lose it that much faster... once the muscle is there and you feed it for a while making it more solid then id imagine its more likely to stay.. now I have no proof of this but its just what makes sense to me... obviously adjusting your diet and training when coming off to keep your gains as well... I do like the idea of realistic goals though so you wont set yourself up for disappointment

[Buster Brown]

I hear you but imo once you plateau and stay at a certain weight I like to give my body a few weeks at that weight so it can kinda get used to it rather then come right off and feel like I will lose it that much faster... once the muscle is there and you feed it for a while making it more solid then id imagine its more likely to stay.. now I have no proof of this but its just what makes sense to me... obviously adjusting your diet and training when coming off to keep your gains as well... I do like the idea of realistic goals though so you wont set yourself up for disappointment

I totally agree with that philosophy as well about giving the new muscle a "chance". I have no proof either but it does seem to make sense. I think I'm a little caught in the middle in that I don't want to stay on-cycle if I'm at a point of diminished return. My next cycle which will be Tes E and Tren A (tren A will start in week 3) is scheduled to be a 10 weeker. I will make a determination at the 10 week mark to stay on an additional 2 weeks if I'm still making progress or call it a day.

[human project]

I just can't see a point of coming off a cycle if your still making gains. I usually cycle off when my gains diminish or I plateau and don't want to raise my mg's any more.