Race day performance only

**badmoon1** · 10-31-2012, 01:14 PM

Lets say I'm an endurance athlete and want a one day performance bump. And I'm not currently on a cycle (or in-between). Choices? I was thinking test prop with its short half life, maybe pinning once the day before an event. But I heard it takes 2 weeks to really kick in. Or maybe just a 2 week prop cycle? Thoughts?

**MickeyKnox** · 10-31-2012, 01:15 PM

Suspension.

**badmoon1** · 10-31-2012, 01:20 PM

Just once? Day before? Day of?

**MickeyKnox** · 10-31-2012, 01:29 PM

A couple hours before. It has a very short active life.

**Randy_Mar** · 10-31-2012, 01:34 PM

Damn! Suspension works that quick? Could I do the same before my armwrestling tournaments? Meaning...will I benefit from it any?

If so, how much should I dose? 1ml?

**badmoon1** · 10-31-2012, 01:40 PM

But do you need time to get T levels up? More than a day?

**MickeyKnox** · 10-31-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Randy_Mar

Damn! Suspension works that quick? Could I do the same before my armwrestling tournaments? Meaning...will I benefit from it any?

If so, how much should I dose? 1ml?

Originally Posted by badmoon1

But do you need time to get T levels up? More than a day?

100mg couple of hours before event will do the trick.

**JohnnyVegas** · 10-31-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Randy_Mar

If so, how much should I dose? 1ml?

Keep in mind that 1ml is not a dose. It is a volume, and your dose will depend on the mg/ml of the drug.

**Randy_Mar** · 10-31-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

100mg couple of hours before event will do the trick.

Awesome! Thanks Mick!
Guess I'll be giving it a shot next Saturday (literally)

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Keep in mind that 1ml is not a dose. It is a volume, and your dose will depend on the mg/ml of the drug.

Yea, I wrote that "wrong." i'll hit 100mg, the test suspension i will have is 100mg/ml

**JohnnyVegas** · 10-31-2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Randy_Mar

Yea, I wrote that "wrong." i'll hit 100mg, the test suspension i will have is 100mg/ml

Cool. I just wanted to keep safety first to avoid someone assuming the suspension was 100mg/ml and then you pinning some strange 300mg/ml thing that someone brewed up. Heh. Good luck!

**Randy_Mar** · 10-31-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Cool. I just wanted to keep safety first to avoid someone assuming the suspension was 100mg/ml and then you pinning some strange 300mg/ml thing that someone brewed up. Heh. Good luck!

Very good point, because I've seen that kind of stuff first hand (with other compounds)

**songdog** · 10-31-2012, 03:13 PM

Suspension is some good stuff.

**badmoon1** · 10-31-2012, 03:43 PM

Thanks. Good info. So the half life is suspension Is about a day? And one pin the morning in will give me a nice daily boost from off cycle T levels? That works. Trying to keep off the gear in the future as much as possible. Not really trying to bulk up at all. Just don't want to look like a Kenyan runner. (And I don't!). And the T boost for a day would suit most of my needs.

**Bonaparte** · 10-31-2012, 08:43 PM

Sorry, but all the advice given here has been nonsense. All 100mg of test suspension will do is make you run funny from the soreness.

No anabolic steroid will give you a near-instant aerobic endurance boost (although there are a handful that can increase anaerobic endurance, strength, and aggression with a single dose). The only ones that are really useful for running would be Epo and EQ (as the goal here is to boost your RBC count), but these both take a while to work, as erythropeisis isn't an overnight process.

**Sworder** · 10-31-2012, 08:47 PM

Bonaparte right on the money!

**P.Money** · 10-31-2012, 09:14 PM

Can you do suspension subq since its water based?

**badmoon1** · 10-31-2012, 10:11 PM

I can tell you that test E alone on a 500 mg/wk schedule does wonders for endurance sports. Yea - lance used it too. But I'm not interested in the EPO route.

My performance is great now on cycle. I'll end my cycle soon. I'm just thinking I would like to kick up my t levels before my next event without dong a whole 8 or 12 week cycle. Maybe a week or two on prop? I just need enough to get my levels right for one day (I'm not a pro, just an old dude running). Pinning soreness sometimes an issue for a day or two.

**P.Money** · 10-31-2012, 10:19 PM

I wouldn't run prop for 2 weeks only personally. Test suspension would be your best bet, only problem is every day injections.. Some people don't mind, it gets tricky sometimes as you run out of spots

**austinite** · 10-31-2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by P.Money

I wouldn't run prop for 2 weeks only personally. Test suspension would be your best bet, only problem is every day injections.. Some people don't mind, it gets tricky sometimes as you run out of spots

Try several injections per day. And it would not work for OP's case. Have you used susp?

**P.Money** · 10-31-2012, 10:34 PM

Austinite, I have not personally ran suspension before. I was reading about suspension though the past few months. From what I read suspension should be injected daily once or multiple times for better results. Very painful from user's reviews obviously. Thinking about all this, cycling Test prop might be a good choice EOD injections, less pain, results within 2 weeks. However, I would personally never go through the trouble of cycling for only two weeks. Take advantage of a full 12 week cycle, he doesn't seem to be worried about drug testing obviously. That's the other reason why I had suspension in mind, because of the short half-life.

**Randy_Mar** · 11-01-2012, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Sorry, but all the advice given here has been nonsense. All 100mg of test suspension will do is make you run funny from the soreness.

Bummer! Well I guess same goes true if someone is competing in a non-running sport?

I've been running some Prop + Halo for the last 5wks or so. From reading earlier posts...I was going to test it out and pin some suspension before my competition. Would the Susp make any difference in my performance, being that I have some test prop in my system? (Or....is it still pointless?)

**MickeyKnox** · 11-01-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Sorry, but all the advice given here has been nonsense. All 100mg of test suspension will do is make you run funny from the soreness.

No anabolic steroid will give you a near-instant aerobic endurance boost (although there are a handful that can increase anaerobic endurance, strength, and aggression with a single dose). The only ones that are really useful for running would be Epo and EQ (as the goal here is to boost your RBC count), but these both take a while to work, as erythropeisis isn't an overnight process.

Who am i to disagree with such a legend? I have the out most respect for you my friend.

You have a valid point on the endurance as i have no experience with Suspension with respect to cardio or endurance. But i can tell you from MY experience that Suspension 2 hours before gym time made a significant difference in lifts for ME. So i only assumed it would hold true for a runner. This is clearly not the case and as always, i appreciate the knowledge and correction.

But for the arm wrestler, i respectfully disagree. My power shot up and strength increased substantially. This was preformed while on a TRT dose of 125mg cyp/wk. Suspension dose was 100mg.

Again these are my personal experiences. Im not saying youre wrong per se, just that i disagree that Suspension will not work for relatively immediate strength gains in the gym.

Respect.

Originally Posted by Randy_Mar

Bummer! Well I guess same goes true if someone is competing in a non-running sport?

I've been running some Prop + Halo for the last 5wks or so. From reading earlier posts...I was going to test it out and pin some suspension before my competition. Would the Susp make any difference in my performance, being that I have some test prop in my system? (Or....is it still pointless?)

I would give it a try and determine for yourself if it works for you. It wont be a waste as you can always include somewhere in a cycle.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-01-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by P.Money

Austinite, I have not personally ran suspension before. I was reading about suspension though the past few months. From what I read suspension should be injected daily once or multiple times for better results. Very painful from user's reviews obviously. Thinking about all this, cycling Test prop might be a good choice EOD injections, less pain, results within 2 weeks. However, I would personally never go through the trouble of cycling for only two weeks. Take advantage of a full 12 week cycle, he doesn't seem to be worried about drug testing obviously. That's the other reason why I had suspension in mind, because of the short half-life.

I agree that Suspension is better utilized injecting more than once a day. Im not exactly sure what the active life is. Most say its one day, but i believe its less than that.

I used it two days in a row before the gym to try it out as a friend had it and was praising it up. But I personally would not include it on a cycle for two reasons. It hurts, a lot! And its just too much pinning for me. Id rather use prop, and i finds that stings too but not near as much as Suspension.

**Times Roman** · 11-01-2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Sorry, but all the advice given here has been nonsense. All 100mg of test suspension will do is make you run funny from the soreness.

No anabolic steroid will give you a near-instant aerobic endurance boost (although there are a handful that can increase anaerobic endurance, strength, and aggression with a single dose). The only ones that are really useful for running would be Epo and EQ (as the goal here is to boost your RBC count), but these both take a while to work, as erythropeisis isn't an overnight process.

Originally Posted by Sworder

Bonaparte right on the money!

Finally! I was sittting here scratching my head wondering why no one was getting this?

You don't take test for endurance mate!

There are things you can take for endurance, possibly even GW501516 (not sure, haven't tried it yet), but not in a single dose and NOT test!

**t-dogg** · 11-01-2012, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

There are things you can take for endurance, possibly even GW501516 (not sure, haven't tried it yet), but not in a single dose and NOT test!

This!

**jamotech** · 11-01-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by badmoon1

Lets say I'm an endurance athlete and want a one day performance bump. And I'm not currently on a cycle (or in-between). Choices? I was thinking test prop with its short half life, maybe pinning once the day before an event. But I heard it takes 2 weeks to really kick in. Or maybe just a 2 week prop cycle? Thoughts?

Cheque drops are the only thing Ive ever heard about that would fit your need, meaning a one day single dose, endurance may not be improved.

**badmoon1** · 11-01-2012, 08:50 PM

There are many aspects to endurance sports. V02 max, aerobic fitness, lactate threshold, muscle strength, recovery time, etc. Test works great. Studies with 600 mg test/week show a 30 % increase in max power wattage on the bike, much shorter recovery time between hard efforts. Just thinking of ways to occasionally use it other than the typical 12 week cycle. That would actually work great in a 12 week build to a race, but if you race every 3 months that doesn't work. And racing during PCT doesn't sound fun. Maybe I'll ask Lance.

**10nispro** · 11-01-2012, 09:19 PM

For me test/tbol or even tbol only worked great for my in season training and playing but they were cycles. Being off cycle and the best instant boost I found for a match was liquid albuterol.

**t-dogg** · 11-01-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by badmoon1

There are many aspects to endurance sports. V02 max, aerobic fitness, lactate threshold, muscle strength, recovery time, etc. Test works great. Studies with 600 mg test/week show a 30 % increase in max power wattage on the bike, much shorter recovery time between hard efforts. Just thinking of ways to occasionally use it other than the typical 12 week cycle. That would actually work great in a 12 week build to a race, but if you race every 3 months that doesn't work. And racing during PCT doesn't sound fun. Maybe I'll ask Lance.

Have a link to this study, would like to read.

**Randy_Mar** · 11-02-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by jamotech

Cheque drops are the only thing Ive ever heard about that would fit your need, meaning a one day single dose, endurance may not be improved.

How do Cheque drops compare to Halo? I know they are both similar in toxicity, and serve many of the same purposes.
Do you think someone can use cheque drops off-cycle? I'd be curious if it would help me, running it once a week before my weekly practice (Sort of like a pre-workout)?

**badmoon1** · 11-02-2012, 06:07 PM

See the section on leg power.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/hi.../104658-1.html

**Bonaparte** · 11-02-2012, 09:26 PM

badmoon, the athletic world is well aware that training with just about any AAS can increase performance in the long run, even if it is just because you recover better and can train harder and longer.

But none of that translates to taking a shot of anything the day of an event.

**badmoon1** · 11-02-2012, 09:30 PM

Yes the training and recovery are key and helped by AAS. Just a theoretical question wondering how short a cycle can be to help for an event. I'm sure the 12 weeks leading up would provide the best result, but trying to avoid to many cycles.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-02-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by badmoon1

Yes the training and recovery are key and helped by AAS. Just a theoretical question wondering how short a cycle can be to help for an event. I'm sure the 12 weeks leading up would provide the best result, but trying to avoid to many cycles.

IF you had the experience, knowledge, proper compounds, and diet, you could do a 4-6wk blast with fantastic results very easily.

**jamotech** · 11-03-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Randy_Mar

How do Cheque drops compare to Halo? I know they are both similar in toxicity, and serve many of the same purposes.
Do you think someone can use cheque drops off-cycle? I'd be curious if it would help me, running it once a week before my weekly practice (Sort of like a pre-workout)?

Read the drug profiles my friend, your guess is as good as mine!