gearing up for 2nd cycle....what should i run??

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hey everyone!! i am currently in week 7 of my first cycle right now, Test E 500mg/wk, Adex .5mg EOD. so far, things are going very good!!! up 13lb from my starting weight, and definately less BF. i've been eating 2500-3000 cal per day 95% clean. i've had increasing strength since week 4, & last week i had 4 people tell me i'm getting big up top...shoulders, arms, traps, & pecs. also, so far basically no side effects aside from extra oily skin (take 2 showers per day) & small balls....no acne, no itchy nips. my PCT will include clomid & nolva. i also have some Anavar on hand, but decided to stay away during this first cycle, save it for later.

after the holidays, i plan on running a cut cycle. looking for your thoughts on which compounds to run. i'd like to stick with test E as my base cuz i don't want to have to pin every other day, i like twice per week. i've come up with 2 options so far:


option 1.....weeks 1-12 run Test E 600mg/week (300x2) + Deca 300mg/wk (300x1)

option 2.....weeks 1-12 run Test E 600mg/week (300x2) + Anavar 40-60mg/day (weeks 8-12 only)


let me know what other options you guys may suggest.....trying to get my gear now so i have it ahead of time and ready to go when the time comes. plus i have some extra cash to play with now, which may not be the case closer to christmas with 2 kids asking for everything under the sun!!!

[MickeyKnox]

Your cut is based on how well your diet is lined up.

i would choose opt #2 but would not increase to 600. I would remain at 500mg if i were you. Youve only done one cycle and haven't grown out of 500mg, i assure you that. And i would star the Var at wk 7 @ 60mg/day.

Dont forget to include hCG this time! And make sure you have an AI on cycle too.

Good luck.

[songdog]

I agree with Mickey 100%

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i am running adex now and will do so with the second cycle as well, just forgot to mention it in the cycle options. i also already have nolva & clomid on hand. makes sense to stay with the 500mg/week, i'll take that advice.

was considering running HCG on this first cycle, but i've heard as many people say you don't need as people who say you do need it. i don't mind the small balls, so i wasn't really concerned. but i may try it next cycle....can it be injected into muscles?? i don't like the "inject just under the skin" scenario, just seems weird.

BTW, my avatar pic was taken week 4 of my cycle for reference.

i also plan on dropping calorie intake for this next cycle, but add even more protein. i understand diet is the deciding factor in cutting/gaining. i'm actually surprised i've lost BF so far with the amount of food i've been eating lately, LOL. but again, eating very clean.

[MickeyKnox]

i am running adex now and will do so with the second cycle as well, just forgot to mention it in the cycle options. i also already have nolva & clomid on hand. makes sense to stay with the 500mg/week, i'll take that advice.

was considering running HCG on this first cycle, but i've heard as many people say you don't need as people who say you do need it. i don't mind the small balls, so i wasn't really concerned. but i may try it next cycle....can it be injected into muscles?? Yes you can, but its a lot easier and safer to pin SubQ. Its just like an insulin injection..you hardly feel it. . i don't like the "inject just under the skin" scenario, just seems weird.

BTW, my avatar pic was taken week 4 of my cycle for reference. Your avi is blurry and unrecognizable. If you want others to comment, put up a proper photo.

i also plan on dropping calorie intake for this next cycle, but add even more protein. i understand diet is the deciding factor in cutting/gaining. i'm actually surprised i've lost BF so far with the amount of food i've been eating lately, LOL. but again, eating very clean. Well, that's a testament to your solid diet. Congrats.

Reds..

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[MickeyKnox]

Can you lay out your diet so we can take a look at it?

The reason i ask is because you indicated that youre "up 13lb from my starting weight, and definately less BF. i've been eating 2500-3000 cal per day 95% clean"

What was your startling weight and bf?

Im thinking youre diet is not as tweaked as you think brother. This is just a hunch based on your photo, which you appear to be carrying approx 18-20%bf. This could be attributed to bloating/water weight. What is your current AI (dex) protocol?

Thanks.

[fit2bOld]

Not to hurt your feelings but if this is you juiced up you need to reevaluate what your doing.
I don't believe you were ready for AAS but is currently after the fact.
I think you will be disappointed after the cycle.
Just my .02 cents worth.

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I run .5mg Adex EOD. 8 months ago I weighed 197lb skinny fat. I starting exercising & dieting, got down to 180lb, which is when I went on cycle. Most of my weight was in my stomach/waist. Yes, I could have dropped more weight before going on cycle, but I didn't, so here I am. I've definitely dropped fat & put on muscle since starting cycle. I had a nutritionist lay out my meal plan for me, alot of eggs & white, brown rice, old fashioned oats, chicken, fish, meats, water, broccoli, spinach etc. My TDEE is 2300 cal, been eating 2800-3000 cal.

I knew I wasn't gonna please some one. But I'm getting compliments from everyone, wearing smaller waist size, and putting up heavier weights than ever. So I've pleased myself and still got 5 weeks to go. I've been very strict to my diet and sparingly cheating just to satisfy, not indulge. I'm very happy with my progress so far.

I also decided to go on cycle and bulk up maybe a little earlier than I should have, because of timing. Now is the time to bulk with holidays coming up. Then after new years is perfect to cut for spring. I plan on being off cycle for 3 months in between.

[MickeyKnox]

Thats great. Im sure you are stronger and leaner than when you first began.

No one is being mean here bro. We're just keeping it real. Do you want the truth, or someone to hold your hand and tell you nice stories?

Please post your diet that your nutritionist layed out for you including macros.

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I understand what u guys are saying, just giving u my point of view. I will post diet & macros when I get to a computer, working from an iPhone here, lol.

I can take the criticism, I understand I still have fat to lose, and muscle to build...I'm just building muscle first, then concentrating on cutting. If I bulk clean, cutting should be that much easier. I know I can do it, I have a goal and a plan. And I've learned alot from this forum, so I appreciate any advice and suggestions u guys have, and will always consider it.

[MickeyKnox]

I think the mistakes here were A, starting AAS with high bf and B, bulking when you should have been dieting. This is just my .02 bro.

Stay positive.

Looking forward to that diet plan when youre able to upload it. No rush..

[fit2bOld]

Not trying to diminish what you accomplished, just that by your pics there isn't a quality foundation of solid muscle to build upon. Building the foundation with AAS leads to disappointment, when its all said and done and all the gains then disappear and your left exactly where you were.

Our goal here is to help you reach yours. After this cycle spend some time natural and get that foundation built.

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Well from what most say, the high BF only makes sides more of an issue, and so far, sides have not really been an issue. And like I said, I did cut for a while before the cycle, but decided to bulk and go on cycle so I can switch back to cut for spring time. It kind of would have been a waste to cut now then bulk before spring. So I made the decision to bulk now and cut later.

I feel confident that come April I'll be posting pics of myself with the best physique I've ever had in my life @ 29yo, and I'll consider that a success.

[Chx beach 79]

You should just run period! Don't run a cycle, eat, run, lift, eat. I've been doing this 5 years and I'm just getting ready to start my first cycle. My pic is all natural and I started out in way worse shape then you!

Work hard forget the roids for a while, lean out and then bulk up! Meet your genetic limits then in a few years consider aas. Go

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Not trying to diminish what you accomplished, just that by your pics there isn't a quality foundation of solid muscle to build upon. Building the foundation with AAS leads to disappointment, when its all said and done and all the gains then disappear and your left exactly where u were.

Keeping gains depends on PCT, post cycle training, and post cycle calorie support. With proper nolva/clomid administration and proper calorie/diet/training support, gains should be kept. It seems ur implying that I am not going to PCT correctly. If I support my ending weight with proper calorie intake, training, and diet, I understand I should keep the majority of gains.

Two weeks after last injection:

Clomid - 50/50/50/25 (100mg first day)
Nolva - 40/40/40/20

I do plan on going December, January, & February natty while continuously training hard and eating right before my cut cycle.

[P.Money]

I'd do option 2, stay @ 600mg and do var from week 4 til 12. 5 Weeks of var doesnt do much for me personally. And like Mickey said, most of this will depend on your diet.

[fit2bOld]

Or you can dismiss my 35 years of training and do what you want. You do not have a quality base of muscle to build on regardless of body fat.

I did not say anything about your PCT.

The only advice I have is for you to build a natural base of solid muscle before continuing to cycle.

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I'd do option 2, stay @ 600mg and do var from week 4 til 12. 5 Weeks of var doesnt do much for me personally. And like Mickey said, most of this will depend on your diet.

I was under the impression that var shouldn't be ran for more than 6 weeks?? I could be mistaken....I know alot of people love var when it's dosed properly and have the money, lol. How many mg per day has worked well for you?

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I did not say anything about your PCT.

No u didn't, but referenced keeping/losing gains, which is directly related to proper PCT.

I just feel like ur generalizing a bit too much when u say "when all is said and done all the gains are gone". There is alot of deciding factors that determine whether gains are kept or lost.

[P.Money]

You can run var for 8-10 weeks no problem. As long as you keep your water intake up to help your kidneys you'll have no problem. I've ran it for 12 weeks personally amd 50mg was the sweet spot for me. Any more than that amd I'd get a pump tieing my shoes. Also, i tried at 80mg a day and didnt really see a difference, had kidney pain so I lowered the dosage and worked great. By far my favorite compound. Running 750mg of test a week right now with 50mg var. i got legit stuff though. Cost me 1260$CDN for 9 bottles. 100x5mg tabs per bottle.

[Lunk1]

Do you have a pic of what you looked like before??? I would like to see the transformation. I'm a nice guy with a sense of humor most the time but I feel the need to spare the niceness in this situation. Your pic honestly looks like you have not spent much time in a gym. Perhaps a transformation has occured from your before status but that was most likely do to diet and excersise.

You mentioned speaking in genmeral terms and running AAS while having a high BF...here is some specific terms then. High BP, High Cholesterol, High risk of Gyno, More Aromasation in fat cells leading to higher E2 levels.

You definetly jumped the gun here. It most likely doesn;t change things now but it is important for the future as I am sure you have every intention of cycling again...and most likely sooner than you should. Dude take it from someone who fights fat all the time...you really needed some real muscle to work with first. I am happy you feel better and that others are helping to boost your self estime and ego. Please understand most of us here want to help you get the best result possible in the safest manner available!

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here is what i ate today exactly, i use MyFitnessPal app to help track my macros:

8:00am – 1 whole egg hard boiled, 3 egg whites hard boiled, 3 turkey sausage links, .5 cup old fashioned oats, 1 tbsp cinnamon, 1 packet splenda, 20oz water, multi, EFA
*42g protein/35g carb/27g fat – 570 cal

10:30am – 1 whey protein isolate shake, 1 apple, 2 tbsp natural PB, 20oz water
*32g protein/42g carb/16g fat – 500 cal

1:00pm – 4oz solid white tuna, 1 cup cooked brown rice, 1 cup steamed broccoli, 20oz water
*35g protein/56g carb/4g fat – 412 cal

3:00pm - .5 whole wheat bagel, 2 tbsp natural peanut butter, 20oz water
*12g protein/33g carb/16g fat – 315 cal

5:00pm – 1 Whey protein isolate shake, 1 cup Kashi Go-Lean cinnamon crumble, 1 cup skim milk
*46g protein/68g carb/15g fat – 569 cal

7:30pm - 6oz (90/10) ground beef, 4oz mixed frozen veg, .5 cup brown rice, 20oz water
*35g protein/40g carbs/13g fat - 402 cal

9:00pm - WORKOUT (1.M.R. pre-workout drink, Glutamine, Argenine)

10:30pm - 25g Whey protein isolate shake, 2 plain rice cakes (salt free), 2 tbsp natural penaut butter (Glutamine, Argenine, Creatine)
*34g protein/36g carb/24g fat - 500 cal


TOTALS - 238g Protein/312g carb/124g fat - 3268 cal

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Do you have a pic of what you looked like before??? I DO BUT WILL POST WHEN I COMPLETE PCT AND CAN PRESENT AN ENTIRE LOG START TO FINISH I would like to see the transformation. I'm a nice guy with a sense of humor most the time but I feel the need to spare the niceness in this situation. Your pic honestly looks like you have not spent much time in a gym. Perhaps a transformation has occured from your before status but that was most likely do to diet and excersise. IF I HAVN'T SPENT MUCH TIME IN THE GYM, WHAT EXERCISE DO YOU SPEAK OF??

You mentioned speaking in genmeral terms and running AAS while having a high BF...here is some specific terms then. High BP, High Cholesterol, High risk of Gyno, More Aromasation in fat cells leading to higher E2 levels. NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM

You definetly jumped the gun here. MAYBE I DID, CAN'T GO BACK, MOVING FORWARD NOW AND FEEL AAS HAS HELPED SO I WILL BE DOING ANOTHER CYCLE FOR SPRING It most likely doesn;t change things now but it is important for the future as I am sure you have every intention of cycling again...and most likely sooner than you should. Dude take it from someone who fights fat all the time...you really needed some real muscle to work with first. I am happy you feel better and that others are helping to boost your self estime and ego. Please understand most of us here want to help you get the best result possible in the safest manner available!

Thanks....