Can someone point out if there are any long term issues with the use of low dosage clen?
I've been told that it increases the size of the heart.
Thanks for your help
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Can someone point out if there are any long term issues with the use of low dosage clen?
I've been told that it increases the size of the heart.
Thanks for your help
before you get any long term sides, i think your body is more likely to down-regulate the receptors and it becomes ineffective with long term low dose use.
So your saying that if dosed low enough the effects will stop when the cycle does?Quote:
Originally Posted by asiandude
yup. especially if you're only taking a low dose. once you stop, the effects will be gone. there should be no long term complications.
no offence bro, but that didn't really. help me.
As far as im concerned there are heart related issues. But i'm not sure on its severity
While on clen, most people will experience palpitations. When you stop taking clen, palpitation stops. But such short term palpitations will not lead to cardiomegaly imo. Thats the best i can do.
With what i've read. At long term it can enlarge your left ventricule but it is very dose dependant if you do it at normal dose and only a few time I don't think you must be really concern... But if you are still affraid of it try ECA It's much safer.
And about the b2 receptor ketotifen will fix that.
Good luck :)
Long term and clen shouldnt prob be in the same sentence anyway.
If you need clen long term - you need to change your diet.
Also i agree with asian. There are other orally administered long acting b2 agonists and people do take them long term for asthma and i dont see them having cardiac issues. Granted many use inhalers , but there are pill forms used as well in some cases. There is a thread somewhere on here where i posted a clinical trial for a term of 1 year on one hundred people with a long acting , orally administered b2 agonist that observed no adverse cardiovascular effects.
Thanks chief. I was almost getting a headache again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup
:-D I'll stay out of this one.
Long term low dose would primarily be lowering blood pressure, if anything increase ventricle size...
Cardiomegaly would be from high doses and if u have the genes for it
Headache alert! Headache alert!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemonada8
I'm not sure if you understand my question..Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup
I was referring to long term side affects (side affects that you don't immediately get). I have a great diet at the moment.
And am sitting at around 8%bf. So i was just going to do a 2 week cycle of clen and thats it.
my dosage would go along the lines of this.
day 1/ 20mcg
2/ 40mcg
3/60mcg
4/ 80mcg
5/ 80mcg
6/ 80mcg
7/ 80mcg
Would you recommend taking taurine with clen aswell?
yes take taurine aswell as potassium (a banana or 2 a day will do)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kernal
and at high doses you can have some severe sides, this guy i know (friend of a friend) same age as me, 24, anyway he had a heart attack... you can run up to 120mcg safely if you want, just see how you handle the sides i guess..
and 8% BF, wow, what you trying to get down to??
Yes you take tourine. I think i explained this as well in the other thread.
Heart attack! Fukin hell. What was his dosage? And was he supplementing it with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by kronik420
Thats the shit you dont want lol.
Ah well maybe down to 7%bf. Is it worth taking clen for a few weeks or not?
If done right yes it worth it. Start at 20mcg. and increased like you've said. You'll certainly drop to 7% fast enough. taurine potassium always. if you want to keep the dose as low as possible you can take keto even in a 2weeks on/off. IMHO it wont be a waste. But it will certainly not be at its full potentiel. so that's your call.
Drink PLENTY of water btw...
Good luck
i ran a high dose of clen last yr 120mcg for a few days and had some bad sides on the third day ever since ive had palpitation issues occasionally....not sure if its related but started the same time! no more clen for me .
Screw clen!
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Originally Posted by warmouth
I almost agree lol. Im only using it until my powder gets here. Then its back to gw501516 for Deadpool.
What do you mean by 'full potential'?Quote:
Originally Posted by qscgugcsq
I'm thinking of selling my clen and getting gw atm! Thanks t-dogg haha
Ketotifen is used to clean b2 receptor if you use it on a 2weeks on/off you will clean something already relativly clean thats why i say full potentiel. The clen will be maximize but not the keto
dont know his exact dosage, but more than likely very high.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kernal
this is the same guy that did a 6 month cycle of test 400 (no AI, little PCT, etc..)so... yea not very bright..
if you can handle the sides, its worth it..
I wasn't planning on taking ketotifen any way. Think thats alright?Quote:
Originally Posted by qscgugcsq
@Kronik Well thanks for scaring the shit outta me. No offence but your mate sounds pretty idiotic.
How you go with getting clen?
yea hes not really a friend, just a friend of a friend lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kernal
you can get clen from ar-r (click on the banner at the top of the page)
Quote:
Originally Posted by qscgugcsq
cycleing clen 2wks on/off you DO NOT NEED keto. Keto is used when you run it without break.
I know it is not needed but it cannot hurt to use it. i never said that he must use it.
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My brainnnnn...it's melting!!!!!!Quote:
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The rest of the thread may have just about the same effect, i'm afraid...Quote:
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LolzQuote:
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I don't get it. lol.Quote:
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Why your brain melting?
It's from an older thread. You had to have been there.Quote:
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