Cycle advice

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 06:42 PM

I'm planning a second bulking cycle for February of 2013...I need advice.

I'm 25 years old, I've been working out since I was 16...ran my first cycle of tren , test prop and var as my first cycle a few months ago...

When I started working out at 16 I weighed 150 lbs, over the years I've put up a solid 53 lbs with 11% body fat. I'm 5'8 btw

Anyways my diet is the following:

7:00am 60 G protein shake + two cups of 2% milk (16g protein) + 1/2 cup fage 2% Greek yogurt

9am salmon sandwich (23 g protein) with light garlic spread on 100 calorie whole wear bread

11am two cans of tuna (40 grams of protein)

2pm 60 G protein shake (same as above)

4pm cup of cottage cheese, salmon on the side, and a small piece of bread (whole wheat or white)

5pm-7pm gym sesh

7pm 60g protein shake

9pm 1 piece of grilled chicken

11pm 60 gram protein shake + spoon of peanut butter and multivitamin

Basically I am looking to bulk up about 20 more lbs (I'm 215 now, lost 5 lbs since getting off cycle)

Can someone suggest a stack that has test prop, tren e, and another injectable for those types of gains?

I'd prefer to avoid taking any orals due to the fact that the increased protein intake is already stressful on the liver and kidneys as is.

Critique away....

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 06:45 PM

Why do you insist on those compounds and why insist on 3 coumpound stack??

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Why do you insist on those compounds and why insist on 3 coumpound stack??

Tren has a 5 time affinity for the androgen receptor than test...it dries me out, I don't get gyno from it...test prop I find it better for maintaining steady test levels vs the the twice a week test e...

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 06:52 PM

If you have a better combo than this I'm open to hearing it

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 06:57 PM

I'm plenty familiar with both compounds but thanks for the refresher. My point I am trying to make is that your looking to bulk and concerning yourself with multi stack compounds. The reality is that a solid test only cycle and proper diet might just as easily achieve your goals.

Frankly if you are looking to add 20lbs I might consider Deca /test vs anything else. I know you said no orals but a tbol/test/deca cycle would be a great bulker with a solid diet

**kelkel** · 11-05-2012, 06:59 PM

Or, keep it simple as Lunk first said and visit the Nutrition Forum and let some of the experts tailor a diet for you. They're really good over there and it will make a difference.

kel

**Capebuffalo** · 11-05-2012, 07:01 PM

Lunks suggested test deca cycle with a proper diet is a nice mass gainer

Run an ai please

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Or, keep it simple as Lunk first said and visit the Nutrition Forum and let some of the experts tailor a diet for you. They're really good over there and it will make a difference.

kel

This diets gonna need tweaking for sure if I expect to go from 215 to 235. The diet I posted on here is what I'm eating now just to maintain.

What about duration of cycle?

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Lunks suggested test deca cycle with a proper diet is a nice mass gainer

Run an ai please

Yeah I ran arimidex during the first cycle I understand deca and test will both aromatize so ill have to run an ai again.

**Bio-Active** · 11-05-2012, 07:10 PM

I dont think you are eating enough. You should head over to the diet forum and get things dialed in first.

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

I'm planning a second bulking cycle for February of 2013...I need advice.

I'm 25 years old, I've been working out since I was 16...ran my first cycle of tren , test prop and var as my first cycle a few months ago...

When I started working out at 16 I weighed 150 lbs, over the years I've put up a solid 53 lbs with 11% body fat. I'm 5'8 btw

Anyways my diet is the following:

7:00am 60 G protein shake + two cups of 2% milk (16g protein) + 1/2 cup fage 2% Greek yogurt

9am salmon sandwich (23 g protein) with light garlic spread on 100 calorie whole wear bread

11am two cans of tuna (40 grams of protein)

2pm 60 G protein shake (same as above)

4pm cup of cottage cheese, salmon on the side, and a small piece of bread (whole wheat or white)

5pm-7pm gym sesh

7pm 60g protein shake

9pm 1 piece of grilled chicken

11pm 60 gram protein shake + spoon of peanut butter and multivitamin

Basically I am looking to bulk up about 20 more lbs (I'm 215 now, lost 5 lbs since getting off cycle)

Can someone suggest a stack that has test prop, tren e, and another injectable for those types of gains?

I'd prefer to avoid taking any orals due to the fact that the increased protein intake is already stressful on the liver and kidneys as is.

Critique away....

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

Yeah I ran arimidex during the first cycle I understand deca and test will both aromatize so ill have to run an ai again.

You would always have to run an AI since you should always have test as a base!

Duration depends on what you decide to run.

I think the best thing to do to gaurantee your success is this; Visit the nutrition section pronto, get your diet completely planned out as it is far more important that the compounds and the cycle, then propose a cycle including dosages, AI and PCT and we can best critique from there!

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

I dont think you are eating enough. You should head over to the diet forum and get things dialed in first.

No this was the diet that got me to my first cycle goal of gaining 17lbs..I'm currently maintaining my gains off cycle...this diet is going to have to increase drastically for me to go up to 235...I get that..but my question is about what I should stack as my second cycle.

**Bio-Active** · 11-05-2012, 07:18 PM

i weigh 140lbs and eat 2 times that much and still keep my BF below 10% What is your current weight?

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:19 PM

Guys, I get it. Diet needs to be tweaked. It will happen. But can someone suggest a stack please? Like I said, I'm running my second cycle in February (three months from now) so I am planning ahead.

The availability of gear varies in my area as well so the earlier I can get a good stack suggestion the better off I will be.

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

i weigh 140lbs and eat 2 times that much and still keep my BF below 10% What is your current weight?

I'm 215...

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

Guys, I get it. Diet needs to be tweaked. It will happen. But can someone suggest a stack please? Like I said, I'm running my second cycle in February (three months from now) so I am planning ahead.

The availability of gear varies in my area as well so the earlier I can get a good stack suggestion the better off I will be.

Did I not already suggest a cpl of options for your next cycle????

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

i weigh 140lbs and eat 2 times that much and still keep my BF below 10% What is your current weight?

And I think it's clear that everyone's body is different...some people can eat like pigs and shit it all out...things like the bacteria in your intestines can affect your metabolism and efficacy of food absorption, for one.

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

i weigh 140lbs and eat 2 times that much and still keep my BF below 10% What is your current weight?

You eat over 400 grams of protein a day?

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 07:28 PM

Let's stick to the subject at hand...Did you not like the idea of a test cycle or a test/deca cycle??

**Bio-Active** · 11-05-2012, 07:29 PM

no but you look low on the carb side of things. To many protein shakes, Were is the brown rice and sweet potatoes? The more whole food you eat the more you will speed up your digestive track. I realize there is a place for many bodybuilders to consume protein shakes but i would suggest getting most of your protein from whole food. I personally have no protein shakes at all in my diet.

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

You eat over 400 grams of protein a day?

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Let's stick to the subject at hand...Did you not like the idea of a test cycle or a test/deca cycle??

If that's the general consensus, then ill take the advice and go with it.

If you can suggest something without an oral I'd like to hear it.

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

no but you look low on the carb side of things. To many protein shakes, Were is the brown rice and sweet potatoes? The more whole food you eat the more you will speed up your digestive track. I realize there is a place for many bodybuilders to consume protein shakes but i would suggest getting most of your protein from whole food. I personally have no protein shakes at all in my diet.

I completely agree with getting my protein from whole food, but given my circumstances of being a grad school student I have to make do with what I have.

**Capebuffalo** · 11-05-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1
Let's stick to the subject at hand...Did you not like the idea of a test cycle or a test/deca cycle??
If that's the general consensus, then ill take the advice and go with it.

If you can suggest something without an oral I'd like to hear it.

Where is there a mention of an oral here?

**Bio-Active** · 11-05-2012, 07:36 PM

Gotcha it is tough being busy and having to eat right! How about adding some Boneless skinniness Chicken sandwiches on Ezekiel bread. Works great in a pinch.

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Originally Posted by Lunk1
Let's stick to the subject at hand...Did you not like the idea of a test cycle or a test/deca cycle??
If that's the general consensus, then ill take the advice and go with it.

If you can suggest something without an oral I'd like to hear it.

Where is there a mention of an oral here?

Thought you were talking about oral deca, sorry. Injectable it is then

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

Thought you were talking about oral deca, sorry. Injectable it is then

Personally...since you ran out of the gate with a tren /test cycle. I would love to see you run a great Test only with a friggin awesome diet, so you can see how effective test by itself and a locked tight diet can be!

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Personally...since you ran out of the gate with a tren/test cycle. I would love to see you run a great Test only with a friggin awesome diet, so you can see how effective test by itself and a locked tight diet can be!

Maybe I should add that I broke my finger 5 weeks into the cycle and had to get off. I gained 17lbs in 5 weeks... If that's not a testament to my diet idk what is

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

Maybe I should add that I broke my finger 5 weeks into the cycle and had to get off. I gained 17lbs in 5 weeks... If that's not a testament to my diet idk what is

Can I ask a cpl questions?

How long ago was that cycle?
What was your BF before and after?
How much of that 17lbs have you kept?

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Can I ask a cpl questions?

How long ago was that cycle?
What was your BF before and after?
How much of that 17lbs have you kept?

I've been off cycle for 3 weeks now...my bf was 11% before and dropped down to 10% during cycle. My max weight on cycle was 220. 3 weeks off cycle I'm down to 215 and have been steady at this weight.

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 07:55 PM

So you gained 17 and have dropped 5 of that for a gain of 12...is that right??

Are you still in PCT right now???

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

So you gained 17 and have dropped 5 of that for a gain of 12...is that right??

Are you still in PCT right now???

Correct. I was out of commission from the gym for a week before my doctor gave me the go ahead to go back to working out. It was during this period that I dropped five lbs

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

Correct. I was out of commission from the gym for a week before my doctor gave me the go ahead to go back to working out. It was during this period that I dropped five lbs

Well...whether you choose to believe it or not (I know you won't) you most likely will loose up to half of the remaining 12 lbs in the comming months.

The thing ppl fail to understand is that gains can be made because of AAS but they can only be susstained by food. You have to eat like your 220 to stay 220...if you hit 220 on gear and eat like your 200 thats where you will end up.

I am more than willing to help you lock on a good test/deca cycle but all I ask is before we really go any further you take a bit of time to work this diet out in the nutrition section. Tell em I sent ya and what your plans and goals are and let them help make sure you are eating the food to gain and saty 20 lbs heavier. This thread isn't going anywhere and you can come back after your finished in nutrition. Sound ok to you???

**osamabinalex** · 11-05-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Well...whether you choose to believe it or not (I know you won't) you most likely will loose up to half of the remaining 12 lbs in the comming months.

The thing ppl fail to understand is that gains can be made because of AAS but they can only be susstained by food. You have to eat like your 220 to stay 220...if you hit 220 on gear and eat like your 200 thats where you will end up.

I am more than willing to help you lock on a good test/deca cycle but all I ask is before we really go any further you take a bit of time to work this diet out in the nutrition section. Tell em I sent ya and what your plans and goals are and let them help make sure you are eating the food to gain and saty 20 lbs heavier. This thread isn't going anywhere and you can come back after your finished in nutrition. Sound ok to you???

Sounds swell to me. But like I said, I don't think my diet was the issue for my first cycle. I think the fact that I broke my finger and had to stop working out followed by easing my way into the gym again played a big role with it.

**Lunk1** · 11-05-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by osamabinalex

Sounds swell to me. But like I said, I don't think my diet was the issue for my first cycle. I think the fact that I broke my finger and had to stop working out followed by easing my way into the gym again played a big role with it.

Everybody says their diet is "locked on" or "on point" but since it accounts for 80% of your cycle success it stands to reaso its worth a few minutes of your time to post it for feed back!