Second Test Cycle with Primo

[jthompson36]

Hello, i have previously done 500 Test E for 12 weeks as my first cycle and had nice gains 15lbs. I am now 190lbs, 5 11, 25 years old, 8%bf, have been training for about 6 years.
For my second cycle i was thinking of doing 500 Test E 12 weeks with maybe 200-400 Primo?(reason for such low dose is ive heard it may hurt and i really dont want to be injecting a lot into one muscle) will i gain more off this cycle than my first cycle since i am including primo which i have read amplies test?
Any comments?
Of course Pct Clomid and Nolva 100/100/50/50 40/40/20/20

[MickeyKnox]

Gain what? What are your expectation and goals?

And do you have a photo of you at 8% BF? I think your stats are terrific.

[jthompson36]

i want to gain lean mass again but with test i got some bloating/water retention that is why i want to apply low dosages of primo go the cycle to provide less estrogenic side effects and primo is known to amplify test! just not sure if 200-400 would be enough? Hopefully 200-400 is enough and my goals are to break 200 after my pct and then continue building from 200 up, i would like to gain 10-15, 15 being a very high number but could be possible. Just curious on the primobolan, and i will try and post a pic of myself

[ScotchGuard02]

My last cycle was a Primo/Test cycle. 300mg/wk Primo and 500mg/wk Test mixed in the same syringe and injected eod. It didn't hurt at all. It was an awesome cycle. Good strength gain, no too much weight gain, good vascularity, reduction in bodyfat.

[austinite]

200 to 400 primo will do nothing. You might as well take some baby aspirin, you will feel it better than that dose. Try 750+ for 18 weeks +

[snowblowjoe]

Do steroids not have the same synergistic effect that occurs when you combine narcotics together for instance? 600 milligrams a week for 18 weeks that's like a nice used car you can buy with that money

[jthompson36]

Thanks scotch, i appreciate some good advice seeing as you only did 300mg/week and i dont want to overload with primo and do these ridiculous amounts of 600-1000mg a week because thats too much of anything for me. i would hate pinning that much, so you think 200-400 is a good dose? and is that enough to amplify the test?

[austinite]

lol. There is NO WAY ON EARTH that 200mg will do anything. Waste of money. Sorry. Especially at 12 weeks.

[Brohim]

Thanks scotch, i appreciate some good advice seeing as you only did 300mg/week and i dont want to overload with primo and do these ridiculous amounts of 600-1000mg a week because thats too much of anything for me. i would hate pinning that much, so you think 200-400 is a good dose? and is that enough to amplify the test?

minimum 400 primo if it's human grade. 600 would be better. Don't be fooled by the # it is a mild drug so 600mg isn't really that much.

[jthompson36]

What about 400? im not trying to get ripped as **** from primo or gain 20 lbs off primo along, thats why i am running 500mg, but just maybe loose 1%bf and to just amplify the test a bit? thats why i am here asking about it

[austinite]

What about 400? im not trying to get ripped as **** from primo or gain 20 lbs off primo along, thats why i am running 500mg, but just maybe loose 1%bf and to just amplify the test a bit? thats why i am here asking about it

Honestly, 400 will do little. I think you're just going to have high expectations and be dissapointed. I don't even like it anywhere less than 700, but if you're that concerned, 500mg/ew will do OK, but you will have to run it for a longer period. Primo doesn't shine until around week 14, and at week 16 you see DAILY improvements in your physique. I've run this compound enough times to know what works and what doesnt. I also understand that everyone is different, but really... 150-200mg is what girls run. This compound is too expensive to be used improperly. Not one of those Trial Cycles so to speak, unless money is no object to you, of course.

If you're trying to lose 1% BF you dont need primo.

[Brohim]

What about 400? im not trying to get ripped as **** from primo or gain 20 lbs off primo along, thats why i am running 500mg, but just maybe loose 1%bf and to just amplify the test a bit? thats why i am here asking about it

I would say 400 would be minimum. Throw some Tbol in there too

[jthompson36]

Money isnt an issue at all, i was just curious on the aspect of primo and thank you austin for cleaing it up, i just would rather take test and pin 2 ccs a week then take 800-1000 primo with test and be pinning 10-12 cc a week, i dont mind injections but i have only ever used my quads, delts, and of course it would be human grade as well

[austinite]

^ just run test and cut bro. Primo is not what you need. If you insist on another compound try tbol as Brohim suggested.

[jthompson36]

My concern with running any orals, is that it will cause high liver enzymes because i have taken accutane once and already damaged my liver that the sense from it, im at low levels right now, but i cant drink alcohol and havent been able to for about 8 years because it spikes my enzymes like crazy and will result in liver damage, so is there any safe orals that wont hurt the liver? my normal level is 12-20, if i drink or when i was on accutane its at 60-70, which is dangerous

[austinite]

Just take NAC. if it works for Dbol it works for Tbol.

[marcus300]

^ just run test and cut bro. Primo is not what you need. If you insist on another compound try tbol as Brohim suggested.

Agreed with Austin, drop the primo and introduce something else , you could possibly try winny which would help along side your test.

[jthompson36]

NAC? sorry i dont know of it, i take milk thistle 500mg ED, which would prob be better winny or tbol?

[marcus300]

Either would be fine but running the winny for the last 6 wks up to pct start time will be a nice addition.

[jthompson36]

Ill probably go with tbol because of the low toxicity, and i did for my PCT before nolva/clomid and was fine, would using toremifene be better? such as 120/90/60/30 for PCT and only running torem?

[jthompson36]

Which is easier on the hairline? tbol or anavar?

[Brohim]

they are both fine for the hairline. PCT I would use HCG and torm. if you have it. HCG while test is clearing then Torm. 90/60/60/30/15/15

[jthompson36]

Also which is best for acne?

[jthompson36]

i have no access to hcg sadly