Steroids after heart attack

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:07 PM

Hey guys, im 20 years old, been weight training for over 5 years and ate right, and trained hard. it was my passion. but to make a long story short, i took steroids for about 2 months, and i got a heart attack. my first cycle was pretty heavy, but i guess my faith in the guy who sold it to me nearly killed me. i thought he knew what he was selling me since he was a trainer at my gym. so anyways, i dont want stupid answers, or people bashing me. i just want serious answers.

im really disappointed in not atleast finishing one cycle of steroids and benefiting from the effects. the doctors said my heart will recover back to normal, as it was only a mild heart attack (angina). its been a month since i trained and i lost about 20 pounds, but i also stopped eating properly because i was discouraged of not being able to exercise, and i lost my gf lol.

anyways, my question is, once ive recovered, should i go back on steroids and just do a light cycle? im really tempted, but im also scared. but, its just so much of a confidence boost, i want to do it for abit. ive had a nice body all my life, i had low body fat and was about 190 ( 5 feet 11 inches). anyways, share me your opinions. whether it be positive or negative. thanks

**Times Roman** · 11-07-2012, 08:13 PM

How do you know for sure it was the steroids that gave you the heart attack?

And if it were the steroids, could you really be that, sorry for saying this, "DUMB" for wanting to do it again?

**Times Roman** · 11-07-2012, 08:14 PM

Almost forgot...

Welcome to the board mate!

**Sworder** · 11-07-2012, 08:16 PM

Steroids will activate androgen receptors in your cardiac tissue. So don't use AAS.

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

How do you know for sure it was the steroids that gave you the heart attack?

And if it were the steroids, could you really be that, sorry for saying this, "DUMB" for wanting to do it again?

Because the doctors analyzed my heart, and they think its a high probability that it is. But no worries, thank you for being honest. i know its dumb, its just a mental thing. its hard to overcome that. it was such a confidence boost. but yes, i am leaning more to the NO part, because...i dont want to go through what i went through ever again. anyways, thank you for the reply

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-07-2012, 08:16 PM

I will leave this sort of advices to someone more knowledgable, but can you give us more info on your heart attack and what the doctor thinks caused it?

How is it connected to AAS use?

Was your blood pressure through the roof before it happened?

What compounds and doses were you taking?

I am not posting to doubt or slam you in any way. This is something that we should all be concerned about and I am hoping you can share some details.

**Shaneo224** · 11-07-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by danielc.92

Because the doctors analyzed my heart, and they think its a high probability that it is. But no worries, thank you for being honest. i know its dumb, its just a mental thing. its hard to overcome that. it was such a confidence boost. but yes, i am leaning more to the NO part, because...i dont want to go through what i went through ever again. anyways, thank you for the reply

Are you by any chance from australia daniel?

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:24 PM

The guy sold me t-enanthate and boldenone undecylenate and d-bol. so i was taking 1cc three times a week, and 40mg of d-bol

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:25 PM

no haha. not from australia

**Ashop** · 11-07-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by danielc.92

Hey guys, im 20 years old, been weight training for over 5 years and ate right, and trained hard. it was my passion. but to make a long story short, i took steroids for about 2 months, and i got a heart attack. my first cycle was pretty heavy, but i guess my faith in the guy who sold it to me nearly killed me. i thought he knew what he was selling me since he was a trainer at my gym. so anyways, i dont want stupid answers, or people bashing me. i just want serious answers.

im really disappointed in not atleast finishing one cycle of steroids and benefiting from the effects. the doctors said my heart will recover back to normal, as it was only a mild heart attack (angina). its been a month since i trained and i lost about 20 pounds, but i also stopped eating properly because i was discouraged of not being able to exercise, and i lost my gf lol.

anyways, my question is, once ive recovered, should i go back on steroids and just do a light cycle? im really tempted, but im also scared. but, its just so much of a confidence boost, i want to do it for abit. ive had a nice body all my life, i had low body fat and was about 190 ( 5 feet 11 inches). anyways, share me your opinions. whether it be positive or negative. thanks

If your 20yrs old and have already had a heart attack,,,I would use GREAT caution when using ANYTHING.

**Noles12** · 11-07-2012, 08:25 PM

So you had a full blown heart attack or experienced angina? They are not one in the same

Unstable angina may be a warning sign that a heart attack is soon to come, but angina itself is not a heart attack and, depending on the type, can be caused by a number of things

**Times Roman** · 11-07-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I will leave this sort of advices to someone more knowledgable, but can you give us more info on your heart attack and what the doctor thinks caused it?

How is it connect to AAS use?

Was your blood pressure though the roof before it happened?

What compounds and doses were you taking?

I am not posting to doubt or slam you in any way. This is something that we should all be concerned about and I am hoping you can share some details.

That was my point too.

doctors have this uncanny knack for finding fault when you take action they do not approve of.
There is extremely little clinical data suggesting that steroids puts you at risk of death. Even Lyle Alzedo's doctor confessed that Alzedo's brain cancer and ultimate death had NOTHING to do with his taking steroids.

So for a couple of (sorry for saying this) run of the mill vanilla doctors to suggest a two month cycle is the reason for your having a heart attack seems ludicrous, and an easy cop out on their part. Even dangerous, as they probably have not diagnosed the real root cause of the problem

**Sworder** · 11-07-2012, 08:28 PM

None the less steroids will aggravate your heart. It's one of the most severe side effects of AAS use and nobody really think about it. All you hear is "I have no sides, no gyno, acne or night sweats" honestly, who cares about compared to your cardiac health?

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:28 PM

my doctor told me it was angina, but he said its a mild case of heart attack. but i really think it was the steroids . i was always healthy, never got sick, never had any problems in the past, i was a health freak, always eating right. its too much of a coincidence that this all happened during my steroid cycle. unless i was born with a weak heart..like a birth defect that i would have perhaps noticed when i was older, but since i never got that checked up. i will never know

**Noles12** · 11-07-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by danielc.92

my doctor told me it was angina, but he said its a mild case of heart attack. but i really think it was the steroids. i was always healthy, never got sick, never had any problems in the past, i was a health freak, always eating right. its too much of a coincidence that this all happened during my steroid cycle. unless i was born with a weak heart..like a birth defect that i would have perhaps noticed when i was older, but since i never got that checked up. i will never know

Im not saying it was not caused by the steroids . It could have.

But angina can be caused by a number of things. It is usually from reduced blood flow to the heart. It may be due to blockages or plaque. In your case it may have been due to inflammation of the tissues around the heart due to the steroids blocking oxygen flow. But many people experience it from panic attacks, physical exertion, drug reactions (such as stimulants), or other underlying heart issues that may have been present your whole life.

What were you doing when you experienced the angina?

**Doont-Hunter** · 11-07-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by danielc.92

my doctor told me it was angina, but he said its a mild case of heart attack. but i really think it was the steroids. i was always healthy, never got sick, never had any problems in the past, i was a health freak, always eating right. its too much of a coincidence that this all happened during my steroid cycle. unless i was born with a weak heart..like a birth defect that i would have perhaps noticed when i was older, but since i never got that checked up. i will never know

You need to be honest mate. Are you telling the truth when you say that you've been a fitness freak your whole life? Are you sure you've never been fat or overweight? Most fitness fanatics hardly ever have heart problems, especially at such a young age. Your either lying about your physical stature so you can get advice on here on how to use AAS, or you honestly have a weak heart despite good genetics and genuinely asking legit questions. Anyway, you don't want to end up like another Zyzz and die young from too much AAS. If I had a heart attack at such a young age dear god my mind and everything would change about me. I definitely wouldn't consider doing AAS, I'd stay all natural, train well, eat well and keep doing cardiovascular training.

**johnnylucifer** · 11-07-2012, 08:35 PM

I'd recommend you go to a heart specialist. Just to make sure you don't have a preexisting condition. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think it was AS alone that did that to you. Heart problems from AS use is seen as a long term risk.

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:40 PM

yes im being honest. if i could i would prove it, i can post a pic but lets be honest, no ones really gives a sh*t lol. but yes, its possible i just had a weak heart to begin with. i will most likely go see a heart specialist, but i dont think i will do it again. i just wanted to get other peoples advice. im just feeling down atm because i cant train for abit, and i currently lost 20 pounds. so its kinda depressing

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:47 PM

well the first couple of weeks during my cycle, i was fine, i gained 10 pounds in about 3 weeks. and as mentioned before, ive been training for five years, and i did the whole routine, eating every 2-3 hours, training hard blah blah..the general stuff we all know. so i was getting massive gains. everyone noticed. once in awhile..i felt a awkward feeling on my chest (first massive mistake) but they were so mild and it only occured like 3 times, i really thought it was nothing (stupid..i know..). anyways, then on a tuesday, i got a headache, which in the morning would recover, but every night would come back. then thursday night, i was feeling fine, but late at night i was feeling chest pains. breathing was a little weird, and my chest felt heavy, like pressure on it. i went to bed, hoping i would wake up feeling better, only to wake up at like 4 am, with intense pressure on my chest, as if a tank was sitting on my chest. breathing was harder, and im sure due to stress and anxiety, it was being worse than it should be. i was brought to the hospital by ambulance, and they did a bunch of tests, and the ultra sound showed my heart beat power was weakened, and a muscle of the heart was affected. (sorry for not saying all the terms, i know its important, but..i clearly dont remmeber the exact details) i havent trained since, because i need my heart to recover. as mentioned before, id like to go back, but..its just possible, that i was not made to handle steroids , some people can take it. some people cant. i dont know

**Times Roman** · 11-07-2012, 08:52 PM

the other thing too was you said you were two months into this massive cycle.

exactly how much and what were you taking?

**OnTheSauce** · 11-07-2012, 08:55 PM

Sounds like 750 test, 600 eq, and 40mg dbol a day.

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

the other thing too was you said you were two months into this massive cycle.

exactly how much and what were you taking?

wow sorry didnt realize i wrote that. i apologize. i only made it roughly 3-4 weeks into my cycle, but it was supposed to be a 2-3 month cycle.

**Natureboy71** · 11-07-2012, 09:00 PM

You absolutely need to see a cardiologist specialist for a full work up on your heart. There has to be some underlying condition that was aggravated when you took the AAS or a complete coincidence once you started eating like crazy and working out extra hard put stress on your heart that it couldn't handle. Though 3 weeks is IMO quite fast for something to take effect. I have know 30 some year olds in perfect health, exercise regular have a heart attack out of nowhere due to basic genetics.

I think you should forget AAS and just try to keep a healthly lifestyle and be sure whatever you do your heart can handle it based on the specialists recommendations. Life is too short.

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Natureboy71

You absolutely need to see a cardiologist specialist for a full work up on your heart. There has to be some underlying condition that was aggravated when you took the AAS or a complete coincidence once you started eating like crazy and working out extra hard put stress on your heart that it couldn't handle. Though 3 weeks is IMO quite fast for something to take effect. I have know 30 some year olds in perfect health, exercise regular have a heart attack out of nowhere due to basic genetics.

I think you should forget AAS and just try to keep a healthly lifestyle and be sure whatever you do your heart can handle it based on the specialists recommendations. Life is too short.

Thank you. Great reply

**danielc.92** · 11-07-2012, 09:10 PM

actually thank you everyone for the great replies. i originally tried doing this on bodybuilding.com (although i later realized im not allowed to) but all i got was immature answers, trolls, and got me nowhere. i know going back is a bad idea, but its a mental thing thats hard to overcome. anyways i think i decided i wont be going back. i looked great before, without the steroids , ill just go back to that. and i also learned that bodybuilding.com is either filled with trolls or immature 15 year olds. thanks everyone

**GymRat96744** · 11-07-2012, 09:17 PM

I would say no go on AAS. No one can really say if steroids caused your condition or not but I wouldn't push your luck. As stated above life's too short. Wouldn't you rather be healthy and life a full life then huge? Just my opinion.

**The Titan99** · 11-07-2012, 09:19 PM

I never took AAS until after I had a heart attack. I run pretty heavy cycles now but keep BP under control, diet spot on etc. Low test levels are a precursor to heart problems and many are put on HRT post heart issues. I was told about it by the Doctor but Test/AAS is over the counter here in Thailand so prescription was not given. BP, diet, excessive drinking, drugs, racks and racks of spare ribs (pictured) are much worse than exercise good diet and preformance enhancing AAS as far as I'm concerned.

Doctors will always blame non prescribed meds. The first part of the Hippocratic oath is "First, do no harm." That means no drugs unless they are needed. In a Doc's mind you never need AAS for what we do. I'm 6'2" 265 lbs and about 7-8% BF. Sat across from a cardiologist who after playing with a little BMI calculator told me I was borderline obese and needed to lose 50 lbs immediately. I was wearing shorts and a white wife beater at the time. I was a little leaner than I am in the second picture. He also told me at my age I should be eating 100 grams of protein and doing 20 minutes of "Brisk" walking three times a week. What a Butt-Plug...

P.S. Your too young!! Stay off the juice for 5-6 years, keep training then revisit the question when your fully developed.

AD · 11-07-2012, 09:46 PM

op, did you do an angiogram to confirm your diagnosis? or any cardiac perfusion scan? i assume you must have at least checked your sugar and cholesterol levels...

**Metalject** · 11-07-2012, 09:49 PM

It is highly unlikely that steroids caused you to have a heart attack. In fact, I'd bet every last dime I have on they didn't. Further, that isn't what most would consider a massive cycle and at those doses for that short amount of time it's highly unlikely you caused any serious cardiovascular strain due to steroid use .

All that said, because you have now had an issue you should strongly consider laying the steroids aside for good. The long term cardiovascular strain that they could cause could very well lead to problems in the future.