Clen is bad for big bulky guys to get cut/shredded, Is Winstrol tabs better/safer?

[MakeUpLostTimeFast]

Hi. I have a friend. He's really a friend...(not the old, 'I have a friend, who...' but it's really about me' thing) and this friend is too busy working & going to school to research safe & effective ways of using A.A.S.:

So, I'm helping out making sure his "research" methods are safe & sound.

He wants to get cut up/shredded.

Here are his stats:

Age: 35 years old.
Height: 5 feet 11 inches tall
Weight: 245 lbs.
Body Fat: 15-20%
He can bench press 405 lbs. for 6-8 reps

At the aforesaid stats: he's bulky with almost no vascularity. He wants to get cut up/shredded with more muscle definition rather than having for example, big bulky triceps.

After researching Clenbuterol , which is an stronger version of ephendrine, I noticed some people sayiing that Clen is bad for the heart and big guys like my friend don't go well with Clen. Some person said Clen is literally a killer & causes heart attacks.

So, would Winstrol tabs be a safer alternative?

My friend realizes the importance of eating clean low fat, high protein foods, and doing cardio and he has just began this regimen of good diet and cardio for 4 weeks INTENSELY...still he hasn't seen much improvement.

Will Winstrol tabs cause my friend to be more shredded/cut up and ALSO be a safer alternative and less taxing on the heart muscle than Clen?

If so, what's a good dosge and cycle (i.e. ___mg/Winstrol per day for a 6 week cycle)?

Thanks. Any constructive help would be greatly appreciated.

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If anabolic steroids are illegal because they are cheating, then make them legal so that everyone can use them (in a reasonably safe way) and that no one will be accused of cheating

[Sworder]

Diet and cardio will help your friend. There really is no short cuts on cutting weight. Discipline and motivation is what is going to have to fuel him, not drugs.

[austinite]

Body fat is too high for winny to shine. 15 to 20 % is too far a range, you should get that checked.

[t-dogg]

Diet and cardio will help your friend. There really is no short cuts on cutting weight. Discipline and motivation is what is going to have to fuel him, not drugs.

Times two.

[briansvk]

Several bullshit here So lets take it one by one:

At the aforesaid stats: he's bulky with almost no vascularity. He wants to get cut up/shredded with more muscle definition rather than having for example, big bulky triceps.

There is really very low difference if he is bulky or quite hard... Only difference is, after he starts the good clean diet, too much fat means that body consumes it more easilly and as the time goes by, lesser the fat he will have, it the harder it will be to get rid of it.

Body Fat: 15-20%

With strict diet there should be no problem to get around 10% without any gear easily. Afterwards I would add something, keep reading.

After researching Clenbuterol, which is an stronger version of ephendrine, I noticed some people sayiing that Clen is bad for the heart and big guys like my friend don't go well with Clen. Some person said Clen is literally a killer & causes heart attacks.

This is the biggest bullshit here. Clenbuterol is very different compound than ephedrine. Only thing these two has similar is they help burning fat. Clen is beta antagonist and ephedrine is alpha antagonist. Google the difference. On the other hand I would say it is the other way around, clen is safer than ephedrine is you don't overdose and find yourself a dose which is good for your body. That's why clen is taken 20 to 40mcg in the beginning and is raised to 120, even 160mcg a day. I have run both and ephedrine makes me feel much more uncomfortable than clen, not speaking about the stres on the hearth muscle and body temperature fluctuation (again - this is for me, everyone might react different). Not saying it is addictive.

So, would Winstrol tabs be a safer alternative?

Winstrol , oxandrolone and other compounds are used in pre contest diet, but NOT for burning fat in the first place. They are very good for hardening the mass, gaining hard, vascular look with paper thin skin and keeping muscle mass on low calories diets, but the don't actively burn fat.

My friend realizes the importance of eating clean low fat, high protein foods, and doing cardio and he has just began this regimen of good diet and cardio for 4 weeks INTENSELY...still he hasn't seen much improvement.

If someone has 40lbs of fat, the is just a little to be seen. If he wants to "look in the mirror and see an improvement every day", he needs to get to 10% max, then this will come. Speaking from personal experience. You have to consider, if body burns 1-2lbs of fat a day (which is quite a lot), with 40lbs on, it gets "lost" looking on whole package. With 10lbs of fat it doesn't and it will be more obvious Not speaking about water which fluctuates every hour every day and can be very confusing.

Will Winstrol tabs cause my friend to be more shredded/cut up and ALSO be a safer alternative and less taxing on the heart muscle than Clen?

Winstrol tabs alone will help nothing especially with this much fat on.

I would recommend this (personal experience, I cant guarantee it will work on your friend ). Keep dieting, cardio for another month or so which should be just enough time to loose another 10-15lbs of fat. Maybe more.

Afterwards think about the question "what I want to achieve?"

If the goal is just loose something more to feel good, continue diet for another month and he will be happy without any "chemical help". This version of course includes normal far burner, BCAA and strict diet without ANY CHEATING!!

If the goal is get cut under 6-7% of body fat, I would add clenbuterol or ECA stack as farburner (I would prefer clen but is it up to you). Of course keep the good diet and cardio.

Last option is, if he wants to achieve contest look. This means get totally shredded to bone. Under 4-5% body fat. If he wants to go this way and wants to use gear... I would start using test prop with tren when he gets to 10-12%. This would help him to go from 10% to 6% without a problem, even gain some clean muscle and harden the mass he has already easily. Afterwards add clenbuterol with T3 which is really great combo (tren and test protects muscle and clen and t3 are synergic because clen is beta antagonist and t3 multiplies beta receptors in muscle). If he wants to get rid of water and get very thin skin add winstrol here. In another month he will be like a vascular stripy freak

[MakeUpLostTimeFast]

thanks my friend from slovakia. i got my info. that clen was dangerous from ************.com

that is such a childish site. they blocked my posts for 12 hours by dropping a "bomb". i am never going to post anything informative there again.

it's nice to know there are mature, intelligent, civilized people here.

if i wanted personalized advice, do u have a website or a cyber personal training course/books?

[MakeUpLostTimeFast]

its elite fitness dot com

the most childish site full of angry punk roid heads with big egos.

they like to bullly people dont go there if you can avoid it

[Juced_porkchop]

diet will cause fatloss. even workouts caus minimal fatloss without good diet geared for fatloss. google: "carb cycling for fatloss"

and winny is a crappy steroid regardless of condition in my op.

all i would rec for aas is a decent test cycle and diet for fatloss.
maybe igf1 to help keep muscle also (i like that pep alot)
but again it is really diet.

winny may "dry you out" *as in water loss* but its not making you shed a bunch of fat, thats for sure.


hope that helps some how

[Juced_porkchop]

its elite fitness dot com

the most childish site full of angry punk roid heads with big egos.

they like to bullly people dont go there if you can avoid it

sad to hear, havent gone there in a while but got old account there. this place is much nicer i agree

[Bonaparte]

This is the biggest bullshit here. Clenbuterol is very different compound than ephedrine. Only thing these two has similar is they help burning fat. Clen is beta antagonist and ephedrine is alpha antagonist. Google the difference. On the other hand I would say it is the other way around, clen is safer than ephedrine is you don't overdose and find yourself a dose which is good for your body. That's why clen is taken 20 to 40mcg in the beginning and is raised to 120, even 160mcg a day. I have run both and ephedrine makes me feel much more uncomfortable than clen, not speaking about the stres on the hearth muscle and body temperature fluctuation (again - this is for me, everyone might react different). Not saying it is addictive.

Clen is primarily a beta-2 agonist, though it does have beta-1 activity as well.
Ephedrine works as a true stimulant by crossing the blood-brain barrier and stimulating the release of epinephrine and norepinephrine.
There is still debate as to whether it activates any adrenergic receptors directly.

[warmouth]

I love ephederine! Thanks Bona!