First Cycle

[firstcycle21]

Okay so i have been looking for a good first cycle and was planning on doing test buy maybe i should try an oral first and see how i react

My Stats
25 years old
175lbs
5 10
Been training for 8 years
8% body fat

Options for cycles

Option 1
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/week
Week 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg/ED

Option 2
Week 1-6 Tbol 60mg/ED

Option 3
Week 1-6 Anavar 60mg/ED

Option 4
Week 1-6 Tbol+Anavar 60mg/ED

Pct for all cycles

Option 1
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Option 2
Toremifene 120/90/60/30

Goal
To gain as much lean muscle mass as possible but what i like about these orals is that i will be able to find out if i am prone to any hairloss, instead of jumping into test and going in blind

Also which pct would be best, if possible could anyone explain pros and cons of all my cycles above and pcts

I know test should be first, but i think i might see how i react to a mild steriod before i do test, and then save test for my second cycle, i already have all of them, planning on doing many cycles, but just wanting to be as safe as possible and take care of my body

Also will be taking 1000mg ED milk thistle while
on and off cycle

[MuscleInk]

IMO, if this is your first cycle, you would be best to run test alone. The orals you selected aren't too hepatotoxic but they will elevate your LFTs a bit and will suppress your own natural test to a degree. I've achieved better size with test-based cycles than either var or tbol.

Milk Thistle isn't effective enough for liver maintenance.

[BlueWaffle21]

Start here if you’re under 24:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...**-(GOOD-READ)

First Cycle Protocol

Test E or C for 12 weeks at 500mg per week. The 500mg is split between 2 shots that are 3.5 days apart, so Monday morning and Thursday evening for example.

Please see this thread by jimmyinkedup for further explanation: http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...59&postcount=5

You want to run and AI from day 1 of your cycle to control estrogen levels. You can use Arimidex or Aromasin to do so.

Please see this thread by Swifto for more info:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

Proper PCT is needed to return your natural testosterone levels back to normal. This will involve the use of Clomid, which is up for debate with Atomini, Nolvadex , and Torem depending on which you decide on.

A recent post by Swifto explaining all your PCT option:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Which-for-what

For more information regarding PCT start times:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822

For more information regarding proper PCT:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...y-Steroid.com-)

HCG can be incorporated into your cycle and how to do so is debatable also. Most vets recommend 250 IU every 3.5 days starting in the second week up until the start of your PCT.

For more info please read Swifto’s HCG thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...mportant-is-it

Now that you have done some research, come up with a cycle and the forum will be happy to critique it for you and provide and adjustments needed.

[incipio]

Test e first cylce all the way man, cant go wrong and you have a whole lifetime to experiment with all the others at some other point.

[Juced_porkchop]

option 1 for PCT
but for cycles NONE with out testosterone !
go test only (option1) but i rec 14 weeks myself.

[>Good Luck<]

Option one for cycle and option one for pct. Add hcg at 250iu every 3 days for best results and quickest recovery of natty test. You will need 2x 2500iu in order to not waste any. I only get 5000iu vials so I ended up wasting half of each of them due to 30day life after reconstitution

Lawda mercy im rambling... Test only, pct and hcg!

GOOD LUCK!

[firstcycle21]

What would be a good liver maintenance? Also have no access to HCG , thats why i wanted to do a mild/easy cycle such as orals first, also why Nolva/Clomid over Toremifene?

[t-dogg]

Its not even a question. Test only for your first cycle.

[>Good Luck<]

What would be a good liver maintenance? Also have no access to HCG, thats why i wanted to do a mild/easy cycle such as orals first, also why Nolva/Clomid over Toremifene?

I cycled 10 weeks "mild" and still suffered the full effects of shutdown. Understand that if your in a hurry, you will only end up dishing out all your money to get back to where u r now- because you'll probably shrink down past your current weight. Never cycle till you have all you need. Hcg is a must IMO. I'll never cycle without it again