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    If estrogen feels high???

    If my estrogen feels a little high should I take tamoxifen the first week of my cycle with my AI?

    It's going to be Deca 300mg wk. , test e 500 mg wk, and AI .25 per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79
    If my estrogen feels a little high should I take tamoxifen the first week of my cycle with my AI?

    It's going to be Deca 300mg wk. , test e 500 mg wk, and AI .25 per day.
    Nope. Just get bloodwork. How does it "feel" high?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79
    If my estrogen feels a little high should I take tamoxifen the first week of my cycle with my AI?

    It's going to be Deca 300mg wk. , test e 500 mg wk, and AI .25 per day.
    What effects are u feeling? Just bloating? Or nipple tenderness, what sides r u feeling?

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    Just a little bloat. (Watery) from TRT. I'm starting cycle Sunday. Maybe I'm just paranoid

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    I think this is just a theoretical question. Sounds like he hasn't started the cycle yet since he said "It's going to be."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79
    Just a little bloat. (Watery) from TRT. I'm starting cycle Sunday. Maybe I'm just paranoid
    Like aus said, bloodwork, tell ur dr. So ur not on the deca yet? The estrogen sides r from trt?

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    I haven't started yet. It take test from dr. My levels are stable. Blood test last week showed regular ranges and there has been no change in dose. I just feel I look watery. It could be the CREATINE I started 3 days ago. Or I might need to adjust carbs.

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    If this is your only symptom it could just as easily be diet related. What is your H2O intake and sodium intake?

    Best way fro me to determine my E2 (without bloodwork) is higher BP. If I get a bit dizzy when I stand to fast I know what the issue is!

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    It could very well be diet. My calories are about the same but sodium is way higher from eating while traveling.

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    My guess is diet...

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    I should of worded it different. I was just thinking estrogen. Because I read it can cause bloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1
    If this is your only symptom it could just as easily be diet related. What is your H2O intake and sodium intake?

    Best way fro me to determine my E2 (without bloodwork) is higher BP. If I get a bit dizzy when I stand to fast I know what the issue is!
    If ur blood levels r stable I'd have to agree with lunk, drink more water and eat less sodium. Creatine bloats me up too tho. But if ur blood work is in order then I wouldn't mess with the ai or SERM dosage.

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    What are effects if you lower your estrogen to much? You would think it would only help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79 View Post
    What are effects if you lower your estrogen to much? You would think it would only help?
    No..having estrogen too low is bad as well. Labido crash is a big indicator especially when using test!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    No..having estrogen too low is bad as well. Labido crash is a big indicator especially when using test!
    That's why I ask these stupid questions? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79
    What are effects if you lower your estrogen to much? You would think it would only help?
    My first cycle while I had an issue to where all my shit was in my backpack and it got stolen and after a few days my nips started getting tender and instead of doing blood work and doing the right thing all I could get was adex at the time and so I was taking like .5ed and my estrogen got too low and I couldn't get an erection and my joints started hurting. Dropped the ai to .5 every other day and my boner came back and joints stopped hurting.

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    **** lunk u r a replying machine haha

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    Good to know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219 View Post
    My first cycle while I had an issue to where all my shit was in my backpack and it got stolen and after a few days my nips started getting tender and instead of doing blood work and doing the right thing all I could get was adex at the time and so I was taking like .5ed and my estrogen got too low and I couldn't get an erection and my joints started hurting. Dropped the ai to .5 every other day and my boner came back and joints stopped hurting.
    I'm sure glad you didnt say that the other way around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219
    **** lunk u r a replying machine haha
    Yeah he is a beast! I feel like I can ask a question 24 hours a day and he will answer quick! It helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79 View Post
    Yeah he is a beast! I feel like I can ask a question 24 hours a day and he will answer quick! It helps!
    Thank the high dose of tren !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    Thank the high dose of tren!!!!!
    I can't wait. how many cycles until I can try tren ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79 View Post
    I can't wait. how many cycles until I can try tren?
    27.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    How does it "feel" high?
    The uncontrollable urge to watch The Notebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    27.3
    That will put me at about 55 years old! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by evander87 View Post
    The uncontrollable urge to watch The Notebook.
    No lie...my last cycle I watched Marley and me with NO AI! Give that a shot and try not crying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    27.3
    That a pretty specific number ya got there, b interested in knowing how u came to that lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    No lie...my last cycle I watched Marley and me with NO AI! Give that a shot and try not crying!
    I cry watching marley and me when I'm off cycle!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79 View Post
    That will put me at about 55 years old! Lol
    Perfect...honest answer. It is dependant on the individual. It's something I like to make sure the person has a good grasp of AAS in general and the maturity to deal with some sides of tren that are specific to the compound. Never a first for sure and I like to see a deca run prior to tren as well. Helps know how you handle a bit more mild 19nor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219 View Post
    I cry watching marley and me when I'm off cycle!!!!
    Fine..I didnt want to admit I was off cycle but FINE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    Perfect...honest answer. It is dependant on the individual. It's something I like to make sure the person has a good grasp of AAS in general and the maturity to deal with some sides of tren that are specific to the compound. Never a first for sure and I like to see a deca run prior to tren as well. Helps know how you handle a bit more mild 19nor!
    I ran it for 6 weeks my first (real) cycle. I ran deca when I was younger tho, with no ai or pct :/ and still handled it really well. I ran it by some folks on a couple forums and all they said was don't run it past 6 weeks. I didn't really feel any sides except night sweats when I came off it. Bp was good throughout. Prolly wasn't the smartest thing to do tho now that I see what it is capable of...might b why my test is reading 290 right now :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    Perfect...honest answer. It is dependant on the individual. It's something I like to make sure the person has a good grasp of AAS in general and the maturity to deal with some sides of tren that are specific to the compound. Never a first for sure and I like to see a deca run prior to tren as well. Helps know how you handle a bit more mild 19nor!
    To be honest I have read on here, to use it when I've already exhausted the potential of other milder AAS. But also read it was nothing short of miraculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79 View Post
    To be honest I have read on here, to use it when I've already exhausted the potential of other milder AAS. But also read it was nothing short of miraculous...
    I think it gets put on a pedestal a bit quickly. Is it powerful? Yes! Is it truely magical? NO! It's just another AAS option, it comes witha few specific benifits and several note worthy sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    I think it gets put on a pedestal a bit quickly. Is it powerful? Yes! Is it truely magical? NO! It's just another AAS option, it comes witha few specific benifits and several note worthy sides.
    My man! I can always count on good advice... Always appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    I think it gets put on a pedestal a bit quickly. Is it powerful? Yes! Is it truely magical? NO! It's just another AAS option, it comes witha few specific benifits and several note worthy sides.
    I think the notable benefits are potentially dangerous, it gave me insane strength gains that my body was not ready for, kinda hurt my shoulder on bench press with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219

    I think the notable benefits are potentially dangerous, it gave me insane strength gains that my body was not ready for, kinda hurt my shoulder on bench press with it.
    I hope i see a big boost from the deca ! Then I guess on to bigger better things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79 View Post
    If my estrogen feels a little high should I take tamoxifen the first week of my cycle with my AI?

    It's going to be Deca 300mg wk. , test e 500 mg wk, and AI .25 per day.
    if you are stuck with gynoe and just starting the AI then id say yes for the forst 1-2 weeks of AI use to block gyno.

    if you just feel bloated or "it feels high" then no, just start the ai.

    my op anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

    I hope i see a big boost from the deca! Then I guess on to bigger better things...
    Just be careful, make sure u stretch, warm up and b cognoscente of the amount of weight ur pushing. Take it a lil slower then I did, cuz ur muscles aren't th limiting factor anymore, it's the tendons and ligaments. Don't move up in weight to fast, u increase the possibility of injury. I learned that the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tron3219

    Just be careful, make sure u stretch, warm up and b cognoscente of the amount of weight ur pushing. Take it a lil slower then I did, cuz ur muscles aren't th limiting factor anymore, it's the tendons and ligaments. Don't move up in weight to fast, u increase the possibility of injury. I learned that the hard way.
    That just gets me pumped to hear it can cause strength gains that much!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

    That just gets me pumped to hear it can cause strength gains that much!!
    Cool ur pants turbo lol dont take the route I did lol

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