Tren and test.

**Monster00101** · 11-11-2012, 06:57 PM

I am starting a cycle next month. Was thinking 750 a week test 400 and 400 a week tren E. this is my second cycle. Last one was about 18 months ago. Last one I did 750 a week test 400 and 300 a week deca and had no sides at all. I also have anadrol to kick start it. If anyone has any tips on this feel free to let me know. Fairly new to this.
Also last pct I used was nolva and clomid. I pretty much have access to anything I want. Is there a better pct for this cycle? Also I will b using hcg through out

**gymfu** · 11-11-2012, 09:30 PM

What are your full stats, age, bf%, hight, weight, years training.

What kind of results did you get from the last cycle?

Those are some kind of high doses.

**ScotchGuard02** · 11-11-2012, 10:53 PM

You should be aware of Tren sides before you cycle. Tren is harsh stuff and it can really affect you long term.

**Lunk1** · 11-11-2012, 11:13 PM

Most of your negetive sides while using tren will be caused by the high test level your running. While using tren I just see no purpose in running test that high. 200mg week would be sufficient!

Make sure you have Prami or Caber on hand for prolactin control and run an AI as prolactin and other neg. sides can be controlled by keeping E2 levels low!

**btern** · 11-12-2012, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Most of your negetive sides while using tren will be caused by the high test level your running. While using tren I just see no purpose in running test that high. 200mg week would be sufficient!

Make sure you have Prami or Caber on hand for prolactin control and run an AI as prolactin and other neg. sides can be controlled by keeping E2 levels low!

well said mate!! i would just run prami or caber(as well as an ai) to be on the safe side to hit the problem at its root rather than take a gamble on any prolaction sides that may occur. but i do agree it should stay at bay if e2 levels are low.everyones different i guess..... i just like to take no chances with tren

**Monster00101** · 11-12-2012, 08:31 AM

I would rather b on the safe side. Moneys really no object so ill take what ever will work best for controlling sides. I am 31, 20% bf. 210 lbs. been training for 4 years. Body fats a little high cause I'm recovering from a accident. I gained 18 lbs off my last cycle but didn't have the greatest diet. Now I eat very clean and heavy. I've been warned about tren sides but figure ill never know till I try. Even when on test I seen to get less angry. So is nolva and clomid not the pct of choice no more? It's been a while and I don't c it come up as much in searches.

**Monster00101** · 11-12-2012, 08:33 AM

Also being I had no problems with that high of test should I lower it because of the tren ? Also I will mabye try less tren and c how it goes. Mentally gear dosent seen effect me. It's the physical sides I'm always worried about. Don't need to b messing myself up!

**Capebuffalo** · 11-12-2012, 08:41 AM

What was you first cycle ? What were your results?

**austinite** · 11-12-2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

What was you first cycle ? What were your results?

Excellent question.

**Lunk1** · 11-12-2012, 08:53 AM

Woe woe woe...20% BF+Tren +high dose test=nearly gauranteeed serious sides. Man if you coming off of recovery and just getting back into it, trying to shed that weight, then AAS is not the answer! It will increase your risks of high BP, high Cholesterol, ED, Gyno and more. Not to mention you may suffer some physical damage if you have not built back up a solid muscle base.

Play it safe man...hit the nutrition section for some diet help, increase the cardio and wait until you get to a safer BF with a good base before using AAS thus lowering your risks of serious health issues!

**Far from massive** · 11-12-2012, 08:55 AM

Its in the original post 750 test 300 deca , with no sides. Following posts state that he ate dirty but gained 18 lbs while on the cycle.

I would be very careful running Test this high at your current body fat % particularly alongside Tren . If you are dead set on running Tren I would definatly run TrenA not TrenE this way you will not have to run the Tren as long and if a problem does present from the Tren the TrenA will clear a lot faster than the TrenE.

**Monster00101** · 11-12-2012, 09:43 AM

I'm going to cut the fat before I go on. That's y I'm waiting. If its not down to ten I won't start. My body reacts real fast to any changes. Ie diet, lifting, also my bp is usually a little low if anything. Just getting all my ducks in a row. I'm in no rush to start it. I've been lifting for two months again since the accident. I also have a very physically demanding job so I'm not too worried about injury. Haven't had problems since I've been back. The guy I get it from told me hcg and aramidrex would b enough for pct but that seems a little light to me.

**Capebuffalo** · 11-12-2012, 09:48 AM

You used novla and clomid last cycle for pct. why. Would you be thinking armidex and hcg ? Please again what was your first cycle and results

**Monster00101** · 11-12-2012, 10:26 AM

First cycle and results r in my second post. I'm not saying that's what Im using just what someone u uses suggested. That's y I'm asking about it. I originally said I used nolva and clomid before and was asking if something better has come around since the last time I used it. Always looking for a better suggestion is all. It worked for me last time but I never ran tren and I'm doing my reaserch before I start. I'm no expert on gear that's y I'm here.

**Capebuffalo** · 11-12-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Monster00101

First cycle and results r in my second post. I'm not saying that's what Im using just what someone u uses suggested. That's y I'm asking about it. I originally said I used nolva and clomid before and was asking if something better has come around since the last time I used it. Always looking for a better suggestion is all. It worked for me last time but I never ran tren and I'm doing my reaserch before I start. I'm no expert on gear that's y I'm here.

Results in second post. What have you run before?

**Capebuffalo** · 11-12-2012, 02:07 PM

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Im a little confused can you give your stats again? Thank you

**Lunk1** · 11-12-2012, 02:12 PM

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**clarky.** · 11-12-2012, 02:45 PM

Hi mate did u get good mass gains with test deca cycle.Or was there a lot of water gain bloat iv never ran deca and i was thinking about it for my nexr cycle. i have ran 2 cycles with tren e and test of course lol i got good gains no sides .