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    Does aas affect prostate

    Can aas damage your prostate. Just received my blood test back and dr is sending me to specialist due to high prostate count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985
    Can aas damage your prostate. Just received my blood test back and dr is sending me to specialist due to high prostate count.
    It will increase your PSA most definitely. Damage? No. Off cycle it should come back down. A 5mg dose of Cialis daily for 30d will bring it back down.

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    i thought it was propecia/finasteride that lowers PSA.

    may be a good idea to stop your cycle (if you're currently on) and check PSA again.

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    I finish pct on oct 11, I had physical on Monday, checked my prostate it was good but the bw came back over 4. So she sending me to the specialist. Think I should just tell her I cycled or let specialist check me out? Thks

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    better let the urologist take a look. he may just repeat it in a month's time to see the trend. or he may do an ultrasound to see your prostate. that should confirm the diagnosis, whether its nothing or...something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude
    i thought it was propecia/finasteride that lowers PSA.

    may be a good idea to stop your cycle (if you're currently on) and check PSA again.
    Cialis recently approved for BPH. 5mg, PO, qd. I'm prescribing it in clinic and getting good results. Some prescribe it for HTN but not my preferred application.

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    Ok aisiandude and muscleink ill just let them check me to be on safe side

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985
    Ok aisiandude and muscleink ill just let them check me to be on safe side
    Uro will perform a DRE and may put you on flowmax. Let us know.

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    Here:

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro.../ucm274642.htm

    Remember, if you ejaculated within about 2 days of your BW if can cause an elevation in your PSA as well.

    Cialis is great like MI said. I do 5mg twice per day. Noon and bedtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Cialis recently approved for BPH. 5mg, PO, qd. I'm prescribing it in clinic and getting good results. Some prescribe it for HTN but not my preferred application.
    i am under the impression that cialis decreases the symptoms of BPH by its action on prostatic smooth muscles. i'm not sure if that decreases PSA. (assuming the raised PSA was due to BPH in the first place )

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Here:

    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsro.../ucm274642.htm

    Remember, if you ejaculated within about 2 days of your BW if can cause an elevation in your PSA as well.

    Cialis is great like MI said. I do 5mg twice per day. Noon and bedtime.

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    Thanks for including the ejaculate effects Kel. Forgot to mention that!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude

    i am under the impression that cialis decreases the symptoms of BPH by its action on prostatic smooth muscles. i'm not sure if that decreases PSA. (assuming the raised PSA was due to BPH in the first place )
    My PSA went from 7.2 on cycle back to 1.3 with 5mg daily.

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    DHT based seem to have more influence on prostate...Cialis is new to me for control...thanks for that just ordered some.

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    Is there anything Cialis doesn't do?!
    Bloody amazing!

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    Looking forward to trying it. What other off label uses do you guys know about?

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    Any studies/links to back up that Cialis reduces PSA?

    EDIT: Just saw kelkel's link.

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    Thank you all of you, and yes on the ejactulation. Right after my pct I started cialis at 5 mg day but I only did it for about two weeks, I think I will start back on today. Should I just go for the 5 mg Ed or up that to twice Ed. Again it's nice to have a place we can go and get this good info. I was really worried all day today, now still a little worried but like the dr said your only 45 so not something she sees alot in men at that age. Thank you all of you?

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    I don't want to be any hornier than I am lol. Not sure cialis would be good for me. I know it has great affects throughout the body though

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    Can J Urol, 2012 vol. 19(5 Suppl 1) pp. 10-7
    Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) management in the primary care setting.

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    actually, the efficacy of PSA testing related to BPH is being debated in the medical community. Apparently its not as reliable to detect BPH as it once thought. The best way to check for BPH is a DRE. And get one if you are having symptoms of BPH.

    Its not that big of a deal honestly... its not malignant, its just overgrowth. Prostate cancer, on the other hand, is an entirely different issue and in NO WAY am i talking about that in this post.

    And cialis helps BPH by prolonging the relaxation in the smooth muscle in the prostate, so the symptoms arent nearly as severe cuz thats basically what it comes down to. BPH is problematic due to the inability to urinate, which backs up the ureters and into the kidneys which can cause more issues that are much more severe.

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    I wasn't aware that tadalafil lowered PSA. Anybody have evidence to support this? I know of 5ARI, NSAIDs, and abx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sworder
    I wasn't aware that tadalafil lowered PSA. Anybody have evidence to support this? I know of 5ARI, NSAIDs, and abx.
    Read above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Read above.
    Ahhh MuscleInk c'mon! Anecdotal evidence, when there may be more than one variable missing. What if you took aspirin that day but forgot about it?

    If you are talking about Kelkel's link that one was for BPH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sworder

    Ahhh MuscleInk c'mon! Anecdotal evidence, when there may be more than one variable missing. What if you took aspirin that day but forgot about it?

    If you are talking about Kelkel's link that one was for BPH.
    Can J Urol, 2012 vol. 19(5 Suppl 1) pp. 10-7
    Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) management in the primary care setting.

    This was the one I was referring to when I said read above.
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    This one? I can't find it Neither is the PSA value established in the abstract(as expected).

    Are you sure of this MuscleInk? I have thoroughly searched this topic before but unsuccessful in finding anything other than the aforementioned.

    Can't find the information you are referring to.

    Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) management in the primary care setting
    Kapoor Anil ; McMaster University, Juravinski Cancer Centre, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
    Oct 2012 (Vol. 19, Issue 51, Pages( 10 - 17)
    http://canjurol.com/html/free-articl...3-DrKapoor.pdf
    Abstract:
    Benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH) occurs in up to 50% of men by age 50, and the incidence increases with age. This common clinical problem is diagnosed by history, including the International Prostate Symptom Score (IPSS) questionnaire, and physical examination by digital rectal examination (DRE). Initial management for BPH includes lifestyle modification, and smooth muscle relaxant alpha blocker therapy. Alpha blockers usually take effect quickly within 3-5 days, and have minimal side effects. Current commonly used alpha blockers include the selective alpha blockers tamsulosin (Flomax), alfusosin (Xatral), and silodosin (Rapaflo). For patients with larger prostates, the 5-alpha reductase inhibitor class (finasteride (Proscar) and dutasteride (Avodart)) work effectively to shrink prostate stroma resulting in improved voiding. The 5-ARI class of drugs, in addition to reducing prostate size, also reduce the need for future BPH-related surgery, and reduce the risk of future urinary retention. Drugs from the phosphodiesterase-5 (PDE-5) inhibitor class may now be considered for treating BPH. Once daily 5 mg tadalafil has been shown to improve BPH-related symptoms and is currently approved to treat patients with BPH. Referral to a urologist can be considered for patients with a rising prostate-specific antigen (PSA), especially while on 5-ARI, failure of urinary symptom control despite maximal medical therapy, suspicion of prostate cancer, hematuria, recurrent urinary infections, urinary retention, or renal failure. Currently the primary care physician is armed with multiple treatment options to effectively treat men with symptomatic BPH.
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    Sworder,

    I'll check my home PC and see what I have there. If not, I can send you something from my office pubs. My pubmed app on the phone isn't a full tool. I should also have some info from the manufacturer and the new PDR will have the indication listed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Sworder,

    I'll check my home PC and see what I have there. If not, I can send you something from my office pubs. My pubmed app on the phone isn't a full tool. I should also have some info from the manufacturer and the new PDR will have the indication listed as well.
    Thanks, I would appreciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sworder

    Thanks, I would appreciate it!
    I've got those pubs on alcohol and myogenesis you asked about as well. Will get those posted soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985 View Post
    Thank you all of you, and yes on the ejactulation. Right after my pct I started cialis at 5 mg day but I only did it for about two weeks, I think I will start back on today. Should I just go for the 5 mg Ed or up that to twice Ed. Again it's nice to have a place we can go and get this good info. I was really worried all day today, now still a little worried but like the dr said your only 45 so not something she sees alot in men at that age. Thank you all of you?
    op, if you dont mind, whats your PSA level? you said above 4.

    and everyone is discussing how cialis is newly approved for the treatment of symptomatic BPH. do you even have these symptoms?

    although not common, if i had raised PSA, the first thing i want to do is to exclude a tumor, not try to decrease it before further investigations can be done. just my opinion.

    edit: and just to be an arse, i still dont see how cialis can decrease PSA. i know it can be used to improve the symptoms of BPH. but thats by a totally unrelated mechanism.
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    Lol idk the extact number I will get my dr to email me I just know she said mine should be I think down in the 1.something and mine was 4. Something I will get the exact amount and post my labs in the blood work section tommorow. In still going to let them do their thing, I have abused my body? so just let them check to be for sure. Hope it is just a miss read, or at least no cancer. But she did say my white blood cells were great so wouldn't that rule out cancer???

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    if its only 4.something, then you're most likely in the clear. sorry if i made you panic. But you should still see the uro just in case.

    white cell levels dont count for much.
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    What's good for prostate health, anything??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    Is there anything Cialis doesn't do?!
    Bloody amazing!
    I was about to say the same thing

    looks like its the little pill to have around

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    A little more to the relationship between BPH and PSA:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440415/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16536765


    Great little pill to have around. My insurance sends me these whopper size bottles of 180 every couple months. Nice.

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    I went to my doctor in jan for a check up and my PSA was 5.5,he sent me to a urologist that i went to in may and another bloodtest showed my PSA was 11.4. He did a biopsy and found i had high grade cancer.I am now being treated with radiation pellets which were just installed a week ago.in Jan i start external radiation treatments for 5 days a week for 5 weeks and that should destroy the cancer.I am on ADT theropy since June with injections that shut down my testerone level to 0 to shrink my prostate and will be on those for another 4 months ( i have no testerone in my system now). Word of advise dont listen to any advise given here and see a urologist,you dont dont want the cancer to spead if you have it,the consequenses are not something you want to live with.I caught mine early and its confined to the prostate so my out come is very good.Did ASS cause the cancer,probably not but it definately makes it grow faster,like putiing gas on a fire. through all this my prostate was not enlarged at all,an enlarged prostrate and prostrate cancer are 2 different things and treated entirely differently. GO TO A UROLOGIST AND HAVE IT CHECKED OUT.
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    ^^^^ definitely the best advice so far. No reason to panic, but definitely get it checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    A little more to the relationship between BPH and PSA:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440415/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16536765


    Great little pill to have around. My insurance sends me these whopper size bottles of 180 every couple months. Nice.
    You need to send me some

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985 View Post
    Can aas damage your prostate. Just received my blood test back and dr is sending me to specialist due to high prostate count.
    I was just thinking about this recently. MY PSA, which you are referring to, always seems to check out ok. However, somewhere around mid cycle, my having to get up in the middle of the night to take a leak, usually only once, maybe twice, changes to 3 or 4 times a night, mid cycle. I'm taking the 5 grams of saw, and two different OTC prostate meds, once in the morning and once at night, each time being a different med. Now I'm a little older, and more aware of prostate issues than the younger crowd. within a few weeks post cycle, my trips to the restroom in the middle of the night begin to normalize.

    The problem with PSA is that it is common to see false positive tests. the next step is the DRE, followed up with a biopsy. Have you a history of a high psa, or is this something recent?

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    If your PSA is high enough your doctor can use ultra sound imaging to look at your prostate and see if theres any suspicious looking spots on your prostate.Then he can do a biopsy which i had done was not bad at all to take 12 samples of your suspicious spots and have them checked in a lab for how far along in the gleason scale they are. A bioposy will tell you definately if its cancer. The main thing is to detect it early before it can spread to other organs or to bone marrow all of which can be very bad to deal with. Radiation seed implants is the best by far solution to curing the cancer with the least side effects. Next is proton radiation treatment which radiates the cancer from the outside but is not for everyone and is not as sucessful as the seed implants.Last is removal of the prostate which has a lot of undesireable side effects,like have to wear a pee bag for the rest of your life and having trouble pissing and shitting, and it may not get all the cancer. A PSA score of 1 or less is normal,anything above that should be monitored. I will say that i never had an elarged prostate or had problems peeing even will i was on AAS.Prostate cancer is angrogen sensative and makes it progress at a faster rate,this is why they shut down your testosterone with a drug called Eligard which basicly chemically casterates you untill they finish treating the cancer.

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