Test E

[Abdulla]

Hey everyone, just wondering how many vials/bottles of Test E, i would need for a 12 week cycle & Same for AI.

[snowman]

Bro, if you are asking this question, first thing you need to do, is educate your self, and this site is great for that...
second, you have plenty of time to read and learn, since you are only 20 years old, by the time you are old enough, to use ASS you should have learned enough... please do not use ass at your age.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection /tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT . Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[Honkey_Kong]

On another thread he claimed to be 25, 5'10 and 150lbs. I told him that with those stats he shouldn't be messing with steroids. He needs to eat better, to which he argued with me he's packing away 3500 calories (which, unless he's got a tapeworm, I doubt).

[snowman]

On another thread he claimed to be 25, 5'10 and 150lbs. I told him that with those stats he shouldn't be messing with steroids. He needs to eat better, to which he argued with me he's packing away 3500 calories (which, unless he's got a tapeworm, I doubt).

lol...3500 calories at 150 pounds? defenately has a tapeworm...lol...

[marcus300]

On another thread he claimed to be 25, 5'10 and 150lbs. I told him that with those stats he shouldn't be messing with steroids. He needs to eat better, to which he argued with me he's packing away 3500 calories (which, unless he's got a tapeworm, I doubt).

Profile states 20yrs old

[Honkey_Kong]

Profile states 20yrs old

I know but he posted it in this thread on #6

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...l#.UKZNZIUXD6I

[MickeyKnox]

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UHBeIa7X_fs

[songdog]

Hard to help people when their stats aint correct.

[Juced_porkchop]

Hey everyone, just wondering how many vials/bottles of Test E, i would need for a 12 week cycle & Same for AI.

3 10ml vials

[Abdulla]

Bro, if you are asking this question, first thing you need to do, is educate your self, and this site is great for that...
second, you have plenty of time to read and learn, since you are only 20 years old, by the time you are old enough, to use ASS you should have learned enough... please do not use ass at your age.

LOL? What do you think i am doing? Clearly i asked the question because i want knowledge of it! and im 25, when i registered i didnt even know i'd be using this forum, so i just randomly picked to get it over with... im not even using yet, got a long way to go before i use, whats wrong with gathering information?

[Abdulla]

On another thread he claimed to be 25, 5'10 and 150lbs. I told him that with those stats he shouldn't be messing with steroids. He needs to eat better, to which he argued with me he's packing away 3500 calories (which, unless he's got a tapeworm, I doubt).

Whats a tapeworm? i have been eating 3200-3500 calories on the daily to gain, but like i told u in the other thread, its harder for me because i play soccer which involves (HIIT)... really need to read the threads before giving people shit.

[Abdulla]

3 10ml vials

Thank you, just what i asked for, not all this negativeness when im trying to learn from this forum.

[acidking]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection /tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT . Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

Profile states 20yrs old

You've blown your brains out typing an essay and then you find out he's 20yo xD Outstanding, you've out-done yourself.

[MickeyKnox]

You've blown your brains out typing an essay and then you find out he's 20yo xD Outstanding, you've out-done yourself.

I dont understand this comment. Are you being rude? I certainly hope not.

[MuscleInk]

You've blown your brains out typing an essay and then you find out he's 20yo xD Outstanding, you've out-done yourself.

That's hardly the case. Marcus is one of the more experienced members with over 21,000 posts. He certainly knows wth he is talking about and the information he provided comes from a post he has made hunders of time.......because new people on here never read the damn information already posted so distinguished veterans like Marcus are reposting solid information to try and educate the younger guys.

[acidking]

I dont understand this comment. Are you being rude? I certainly hope not.

Am I being rude? Are you planning to make me humble?

[legendkiller]

You can be 150 doing 3500 calories. He might be burning more than he is taking in . Look at Floyd an Pac man.

[acidking]

the information he provided comes from a post he has made hunders of time

I know he copied & pasted, I was kidding, if you're saying 100's of times then clearly he's going around copying & pasting.

[MickeyKnox]

Am I being rude? Are you planning to make me humble?

No but i thought perhaps i could encourage you to be more mature, particularly if you want others to take you seriously.

[Abdulla]

You can be 150 doing 3500 calories. He might be burning more than he is taking in . Look at Floyd an Pac man.

exactly thats what i tried telling them, i have troubles eating more when im burning some on that day, i eat like a horse sometimes.

[MickeyKnox]

exactly thats what i tried telling them, i have troubles eating more when im burning some on that day, i eat like a horse sometimes.

Please post up everything you ate yesterday. And then well figure out your TDEE.

[Honkey_Kong]

Whats a tapeworm? i have been eating 3200-3500 calories on the daily to gain, but like i told u in the other thread, its harder for me because i play soccer which involves (HIIT)... really need to read the threads before giving people shit.

A tapeworm is a type of worm that grows in your intestines and consumes the food you eat before your body can absorb it. I said that because, even with the cardio you get in from playing soccer, you should still weigh more than 150lbs. And even if you're being truthful are correct in your diet consumption, that would mean that your caloric needs are even higher than 3500 calories and so you're still just not eating enough.

If you burn a lot of calories from physical activity, that just means you need to consume EVEN more. putting steroids in your system isn't going to fix this problem. In fact, after it's all said and done, you'll be worse off after your cycle than you were during since when you take gear you shut yourself down. You'll make minimal gains from the gear and in the time you're shut down while your body is recovering, you'll lose everything you gained and then some.

I suggest you take MickeyKnox's advice and list out everything you ate and the portion size, calories, proteins, carbs and fats. We'll help you get your diet right for you. Everybody on this site has different dietary needs and we can if we see yours help you tailor your diet to meet your needs.

[OnTheSauce]

i feel your pain OP, i have to eat 4500 calories a day to gain any weight, and i dont even do any hiit. i play basketball once, sometimes twice a week. thats it. on those days i try to really pack in the calories, but just sitting in a cubicle all day and not doing any cardio, i need 4500 to gain weight. you should look up some high calorie foods and work on slowly increasing your daily calories so your body can adjust. it will be hard to just jump from 3500 to 5000 and be able to keep doing that everyday. Buy some steel cut oats and eat a lot of peanut butter. its easy and really adds the calories in.

[Abdulla]

i feel your pain OP, i have to eat 4500 calories a day to gain any weight, and i dont even do any hiit. i play basketball once, sometimes twice a week. thats it. on those days i try to really pack in the calories, but just sitting in a cubicle all day and not doing any cardio, i need 4500 to gain weight. you should look up some high calorie foods and work on slowly increasing your daily calories so your body can adjust. it will be hard to just jump from 3500 to 5000 and be able to keep doing that everyday. Buy some steel cut oats and eat a lot of peanut butter. its easy and really adds the calories in.

What kind of high-calorie foods do you use to reach your daily goal?

[Abdulla]

A tapeworm is a type of worm that grows in your intestines and consumes the food you eat before your body can absorb it. I said that because, even with the cardio you get in from playing soccer, you should still weigh more than 150lbs. And even if you're being truthful are correct in your diet consumption, that would mean that your caloric needs are even higher than 3500 calories and so you're still just not eating enough.

If you burn a lot of calories from physical activity, that just means you need to consume EVEN more. putting steroids in your system isn't going to fix this problem. In fact, after it's all said and done, you'll be worse off after your cycle than you were during since when you take gear you shut yourself down. You'll make minimal gains from the gear and in the time you're shut down while your body is recovering, you'll lose everything you gained and then some.

I suggest you take MickeyKnox's advice and list out everything you ate and the portion size, calories, proteins, carbs and fats. We'll help you get your diet right for you. Everybody on this site has different dietary needs and we can if we see yours help you tailor your diet to meet your needs.

Okay cool, i have the body type known as "ectomorph" which incudes my fast metabolism, i will record everything i eat tomorrow and post it all here for you guys to see whats good, once again, im not thinking about taking steroids at this moment, just doing my research so when the time does come, i will be ready.

[Abdulla]

Meal 1-- my weight gainer shake
Optimum Nutrition - 100% Gold Standard Whey - Banana Cream ,
Oatmeal - Oatmeal Quick Rolled Oats, 1.5 cup
Kraft (Canada - Peanut Butter Smooth Kraft (Canada), 3 Tbsp

Meal #2
Tim Hortons (Canada) - Multigrain Bagel Plain, 1 bagel toasted
Peanut Butter - Natural (Kraft), 1 tbsp 15 g
Dempster's Whole Grains - 12 Grain Bagels, 1 bagel (85g)

Lunch
Rice - Brown, long-grain, cooked, 1 cup
Costco (Canada) - Chicken Breast, Boneless, Skinless, Frozen, 8 oz
brocolli

Meal #3
Optimum Nutrition - 100% Gold Standard Whey - Banana Cream , 62 g
Dempster's Whole Grains - 12 Grain Bagels, 1 bagel (85g)
Walnuts 30g

Dinner
Eggs - Fried (whole egg), 4 large
No Name (Superstore) - Dark Red Kidney Beans, 1 cup (250 ml)

Meal #4
Nordica - Cottage Cheese - 1% Low Fat, 2 cup (250g)
Country Harvest - 100% Whole Wheat Bagel, 1 bagel

This is around 3300 calories maybe a little more
around 400 carbs, 280 protein, 90g of fat

This is what i had today.

Just finished eating Dinner! Got soccer training from 9 30- 11. Any help is appreciated. Negativeness would be helpful.Just finished eating Dinner! Got soccer training from 9 30- 11. Any help is appreciated. Negativeness would be helpful.

I usually have lots of TUNA, Steak and ground beef for my protein sources but im out of food, going grocery shopping sunday.

[MickeyKnox]

Excellent. Post this up in the Nutritional Forum for some tweaking.,

Nutritional Forum

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...M#.UHNufa7X_fs