TDEE calculation

[Sworder]

Does anybody know how I calculate my TDEE for when I am on a cycle?

Does anybody have the treasured formula..

[krugerr]

Wouldn't it be your regular TDEE still? Unless youre more active.

[MickeyKnox]

Lbm x 15.

[Sworder]

Nope, androgens play a critical role in metabolism, it would be much higher. Try switching between male/female on a calculator and you will see a difference. Biologically we are different but metabolically it's determined by our hormones mainly. I was looking for the formula, if I could get the one for women and the one for males I could guesstimate the hormone relationship if they were very detailed when they wrote it. But I think the calculations are going to be something like, "since males have 10% higher metabolic rate" yadayada.. I am surprised nobody has made a more accurate TDEE including LBM, BF% and hormones, resulting in something that could be suited more towards bodybuilders.

[Chx beach 79]

What is the tdee if trying to cut? While on a cycle?

[krugerr]

I suppose that is a very good point, Sworder. I hadn't considered that.

[jpowell]

dont quote me on this--but logically i dont think it matters.
like mickey said--take lbmx15--reson i have seen this done is b/c when on gear your posed to be more active--thas the key ingridient. Activity levels.

normally tdee is based on numbers are based on calories eaten and calories burned.

take a look at this article:
http://calorieline.com/tools/tdee

its very informative.

[Lunk1]

TDEE is a ballpark with a +- no matter how ya slice it. Best thing is to get that ballpark number then determine your daily expendature. I bought the wife a Budy Bug. Damn thing will give you your daily expendature even while your sleeping.

[jpowell]

Lol so does that article I just posted

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[--->>405<<---]

^^agree with Job.

tdee is only an estimate. everyone is different. even with AAS u will be difft than the next guy.

(LBM x 15) is a good conservative figure for starting out and will more than likely err to the side of caution (low) as opposed to the typical TDEE calculators that err to the side of FAT..

ur best bet if bulking IMO would be (LBM x 15) + 500 and then monitor ur bf% and or waist measurement/mirror and increase weekly until u start gaining too much fat.

u could also try this natty first to get closer to ur actual real number so as to not waist time while on cycle..

[Lunk1]

Lol so does that article I just posted

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Sorry JP..I didnt read it..I just know that the Body Bugg is great at giving you your actual accurate daily expendeture. I'm not sure how any article can do that considering we all expend cals differently.

[--->>405<<---]

Lol so does that article I just posted

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the prob with that formula as i see it JP is it asks how much u want to weigh.. i dont really care how much i weigh (to a point) its about LBM and bf%.

i wouldnt even know how to answer: "how much do u want to weigh?"

[Chx beach 79]

TDEE is a ballpark with a +- no matter how ya slice it. Best thing is to get that ballpark number then determine your daily expendature. I bought the wife a Budy Bug. Damn thing will give you your daily expendature even while your sleeping.

What is a body bug? How much are they? Would it be accurate if on a cycle?

[Lunk1]

What is a body bug? How much are they? Would it be accurate if on a cycle?

Google Body Bugg...expensive is reletive lol. They measure you cal expenditure using several diff methods all together. We have measured against cardio machines and they seem quite accurate. You wear it on your arm and can even determine your cals burnt overnight while sleeping! Also has nice program to help track macros and cals in and out.

[Sworder]

Well the original inquiry is in regards to a cycle and the differences hormones play. If you would change "age" and "gender" on the calculators, these factors are based on hormones and that is my question. Does anybody know how they calculate hormonal differences that is used in the TDEE?

[--->>405<<---]

^^ i doubt any tdee calculator (which are about worthless IMO) factor in hormonal effects on the body.

trial and error my man

[Lunk1]

Sworder...are you trying to strike up yet ANOTHER debate lol? TDEE is an ESTIMATE!!!!!!!

[Sworder]

There isn't a debate available. I am asking, what values are given for age/gender and how do I plug it in?

Like MickeyKnox suggested LBM x15 but the formula is incomplete there are variables for age and gender as well, AKA hormones. I am asking if anybody knows these :P

All TDEE that I know of calculate using age and gender(hormones).

[--->>405<<---]

There isn't a debate available. I am asking, what values are given for age/gender and how do I plug it in?

Like MickeyKnox suggested LBM x15 but the formula is incomplete there are variables for age and gender as well, AKA hormones. I am asking if anybody knows these :P

All TDEE that I know of calculate using age and gender(hormones).

i dont understand why u seem to want to confine ur caloric requirements to a formula? try to pick the best one to have a starting point and then go by what u see in the mirror, bod pod, scale, and tape.. even if u find one that accounts for all these things its still not gonna be exact. too many variables.

but to answer ur questionL no i dont know what they are nor do i know anyone who does

[Sworder]

You are reading into my request too much. I don't even use a TDEE. I was just curious to what the formula would look like.

When I bulk I eat as much as I can, until like you said noticeable bodyfat changes occur. This is the best course of action imo. I can't even eat enough to gain bodyfat

[--->>405<<---]

I can't even eat enough to gain bodyfat

i fixd it for u

[--->>405<<---]

TBH im cutting rite now and pursuing different avenues than i have in the past and i am not using tdee or calories as a whole. i have limitations on particular days but mainly focus on carbs and fasting durations. im not even concentrating on high GI vs low GI and am having better results thus far than i ever had..

[Sworder]

Care to go more in-depth about how you focus on carbs? Also about the fasting duration, how long do you fast? Why? How do you think fat burning is effected by fasting? Do you exercise while fasting? How does this effect muscle/fat metabolism? Some questions for you.. If you don't have the time to answer I understand. I like hearing about how different people do things and all accomplish their goals.

[Capebuffalo]

This is the best I could find. Don't think it's what your asking but still interesting. Have never seen. It is a cut and paste. So hold the applause.

BMR is the largest factor in determining overall metabolic rate and how many calories you need to maintain, lose or gain weight. BMR is determined by a combination of genetic and environmental factors, as follows:

Genetics. Some people are born with faster metabolisms; some with slower metabolisms.

Gender. Men have a greater muscle mass and a lower body fat percentage. This means they have a higher basal metabolic rate.

Age. BMR reduces with age. After 20 years, it drops about 2 per cent, per decade.

Weight. The heavier your weight, the higher your BMR. Example: the metabolic rate of obese women is 25 percent higher than the metabolic rate of thin women.

Body Surface Area. This is a reflection of your height and weight. The greater your Body Surface Area factor, the higher your BMR. Tall, thin people have higher BMRs. If you compare a tall person with a short person of equal weight, then if they both follow a diet calorie-controlled to maintain the weight of the taller person, the shorter person may gain up to 15 pounds in a year.

Body Fat Percentage. The lower your body fat percentage, the higher your BMR. The lower body fat percentage in the male body is one reason why men generally have a 10-15% faster BMR than women.

Diet. Starvation or serious abrupt calorie-reduction can dramatically reduce BMR by up to 30 percent. Restrictive low-calorie weight loss diets may cause your BMR to drop as much as 20%.

Body Temperature/Health. For every increase of 0.5C in internal temperature of the body, the BMR increases by about 7 percent. The chemical reactions in the body actually occur more quickly at higher temperatures. So a patient with a fever of 42C (about 4C above normal) would have an increase of about 50 percent in BMR.

External temperature. Temperature outside the body also affects basal metabolic rate. Exposure to cold temperature causes an increase in the BMR, so as to create the extra heat needed to maintain the body's internal temperature. A short exposure to hot temperature has little effect on the body's metabolism as it is compensated mainly by increased heat loss. But prolonged exposure to heat can raise BMR.

Glands. Thyroxin (produced by the thyroid gland) is a key BMR-regulator which speeds up the metabolic activity of the body. The more thyroxin produced, the higher the BMR. If too much thyroxin is produced (a condition known as thyrotoxicosis) BMR can actually double. If too little thyroxin is produced (myxoedema) BMR may shrink to 30-40 percent of normal. Like thyroxin, adrenaline also increases the BMR but to a lesser extent.

Exercise. Physical exercise not only influences body weight by burning calories, it also helps raise your BMR by building extra lean tissue. (Lean tissue is more metabolically demanding than fat tissue.) So you burn more calories even when sleeping.

[MickeyKnox]

In my best Robert Hammond Patrick Jr. voice as the Terminator Cop, " saaay, that's a nice cut and paste."

[Sworder]

Thanks Cape! I think a lot of those reflect the things I am looking for. Trenbolone makes me hot. Surely this will increase BMR as a result the TDEE will be higher. I have also thought if the actual muscle building process requires calories but haven't found an answer to it, I would think it does...?

[Capebuffalo]

Again cut and paste. Are you testing search function abilities?

While a common workout goal of many men is to develop a muscular body, leanness plays a large part in the equation. Simply put: If you aren't lean, you won't see muscle definition. Most would rather err on the smaller side and have good muscle definition than work on getting "huge." This preference leaves men questioning which approach is best: building muscle mass first and then working on becoming lean, or vice versa.

Since building muscle mass requires a hypercaloric state and losing body fat requires a hypocaloric state, it's unlikely you'll accomplish both processes at once. To see results you'll need to pick the right type of training cycle.

Here are some things to consider when pumping those biceps, building muscle mass and picking the appropriate training cycle.
Consider How Much Body Fat You Want
The first thing you need to think about when determining which training cycle you'll use is how much body fat you are comfortable sporting around. If you don't mind carrying around a little extra weight while building muscle mass, you might be very comfortable with just diving right into a muscle-gaining program at the outset.

If, on the other hand, you find yourself frequently checking the mirror with disgust when you can pinch more than an inch or two on your waist, you'll likely prefer getting lean first and then building muscle mass.
Consider How Fast You Want To Build Muscle
Building muscle mass takes calories. There is no way around this -- you simply cannot build tissue of any sort without energy. And when there is more energy supplied than what is actually needed to build that muscle, the body also starts building -- you guessed it -- body fat.

Therefore, the best way to prevent extra body fat when building muscle mass is to limit the extra calories consumed.

Here's the kicker, though: If you're only eating 100 to 200 calories more than is required on a daily basis to stop any fat loss from accumulating, you won't likely get very far. You'll be lucky to gain a pound a month -- and if this is the case, you're going to be on one long muscle-gaining cycle. Some may be OK with this, but most want to see immediate changes.

Add to the fact that the body might speed up its metabolism to accommodate these extra calories and you might not see any weight gain at all -- you'll simply look the same as you do now.

Obviously, the more calories you eat, the better the chances of maximizing the muscle you'll build. Everyone has a limit as to how much muscle they can physiologically build in a month's time (for most men this is around one to three pounds with the rate slowing the larger you get), so if you want to max that out, you need to eat enough. You think you're going to gain three pounds eating a measly 100 extra calories a day? That's not going to happen; it takes about 2,500 to 3,500 calories a day to build a pound of body tissue, depending on whether this is fat or muscle mass.

You're on your way to building muscle mass...
Consider The P-Ratio
The final factor to consider is the influence the P-ratio has on the type of weight you gain. Generally speaking, those who start leaner when trying to gain muscle mass have a tendency to put on weight that is leaner as well. Likewise, those who have a higher body fat percentage will add more mass in the form of body fat instead of muscle.

From this perspective, it helps to be leaner when building muscle mass. So, how lean do you have to be? Generally, somewhere in the neighborhood of 8% to 15% works, which shouldn't be hard -- particularly if you've been going to the gym on a regular basis and practicing self-control over your dietary habits.

Do take note, however, that those who are leaner (with about 4% to 7% body fat) will gain more fat initially. At this point, their body is very lean and the body will be fighting to stay that way. So, when given extra calories, they'll likely gain a couple of pounds of fat first to bring body fat levels up to a healthier range.
The End Result
The best approach is to become as lean as you are comfortable with. Once this has been established, begin a moderate bulking period. Aim to eat 300 to 500 calories per day above your normal intake. Shoot for about a half to one pound per week of weight gain. If you aren't gaining, increase your caloric intake; if you're gaining too quickly, decrease your intake.

Add in a small dose of cardio as well, not only to maintain decent cardiovascular conditioning, but also because cardio helps with nutrient partitioning (directing the extra calories toward muscle tissue) and with creating a better overall environment for adding lean muscle mass.

Don't go crazy with the cardio, though, since it's obviously burning off the calories that could have been used to build muscle tissue.
Making Muscles
If you are contemplating in which direction to go with your workout when building muscle mass, consider these factors and lay out a solid 6- to 12-month plan that incorporates both "bulking" and "cutting" phases. By the end, you'll have made good progress -- so long as you stick with your goals and focus on achieving one at a time.
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[Lunk1]

Great post ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Capebuffalo]

Great post ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wish I'd wrote it. I'd make it a sticky. Lol

[MickeyKnox]

Cape is that second C&P a continuation? Is it the same author?

Thanks again that was awesome!

[Capebuffalo]

Cape is that second C&P a continuation? Is it the same author?

Thanks again that was awesome!

Different.

[MickeyKnox]

Ok..

[Capebuffalo]

Ok..

I got mad search skills.

[MickeyKnox]

I got mad search skills.

Damn straight ya do!