prop sust deca.. first cycle. any suggestions or comments?

[smashnit86]

hello everybody. i just started my first cycle. it was set up by a gym buddy who i believe is knowledgeable and trustworthy. id like to run it by you guys to see what you think though. i am currently 180lbs and 6 feet tall roughly 12% bf. im a boxer at 165 lbs so cardio and stamina is a must. im looking for strength gains while staying lean and would only like to add 10-15 lbs when its all said and done. i am running an 8 week cycle.

juice-
prop 100 eod
sust 250 e3d
deca 300 e3d

sups-
protein
creatine
glutamine
arginine
bcaa's
b-12+6
fish oil
multi
milk thistle
gym 5 days a week roughly 2 hours on weights(4ppl) and 2 hours on bags cardio and sparring daily.
diet is very strict. 300+g of protein daily roughly 200g carbs between morning pre and post.
any input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

[austinite]

Welcome!

I know you don;t want to hear this,but your gym buddy is not knowledgeable. Pretty amateur if you ask me, I would refrain from taking any advice from him going forward. Starting with this cycle.

8 weeks is too short for this cycle, furthermore; you don't need multiple compound for your first cycle. Either prop or sust would have sufficed. No mention of an AI, HCG or a Therapy plan post cycle.

If you're not too far in, I would stop this cycle and do it right. I would also ask that your gym buddy sign up as a member here so that he can learn proper cycling and hopefully gain the ability to advise folks safely.

Best of luck to you.

[MickeyKnox]

Ned more information. And are you 180lbs or 165lbs ??


Dosing amounts?

Length of cycle?

AI?

hCG?

PCT?


Check out this link for some pointers and information that will assist you in determining what to use and when.


Most Common Beginners Cycles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[warmouth]

I am seeing more and more people not understanding that sustenon is testosterone. Sustenon is test, just like the prop is, just a different ester. Stick to 1 and hold off on the other. You are using enough test for 2 cycles. I like prop at 100mgs EOD, but not prop and sustenon. You could use either one the same way, but no reason to use both.

[warmouth]

Also, deca at 300mgs E3D is quite alot if this is your first go. 300mgs 1x weekly or divided should be more than enough. It is a very long ester and 1x weekly injections are normal.

[stpete]

Too much going on for first cycle and what you want out of it. Deca more than likely will not keep you lean. Neither will the sust especially without an AI.

My suggestion is Prop @150mgs EOD for 8 weeks w/an AI.

That will suffice and it's a solid cycle. and with your workouts and a strict diet you will get some nice gains and keeping it simple.


Good Luck

[acidking]

Yes like other said, if you're not far into the cycle, drop the Prop, and cut the deca to 150 e3d instead of 300, and extend the cycle to 12 weeks, that would be necessarily if you want to see results especially from the deca.

[bigsiv]

Being an ex boxer myself i was wondering why you would take AAS for boxing training. For me that's cheating, if you have a bout and get drug tested you will be banned!

Maybe I'm wrong and you don't intend to fight if so I will apologise could you clarify what your trying to achieve?

[acidking]

AAS is not just for bodybuilding, steroids adapt to whatever sport your choose that requires physical endurance. They have been used in cycling, football and almost every other sport. Even soccor, who would think soccor players don't take steroids? Competition is too high to think you can win without cheating, nobody is ready to take the risk for glory, those who chose glory didn't really get very far.

[bigsiv]

AAS is not just for bodybuilding, steroids adapt to whatever sport your choose that requires physical endurance. They have been used in cycling, football and almost every other sport. Even soccor, who would think soccor players don't take steroids? Competition is too high to think you can win without cheating, nobody is ready to take the risk for glory, those who chose glory didn't really get very far.

I hear ya buddy although I completely disagree!!!!!!!!!! bottom line if you take performance enhancing drugs in a sport were they are banned you are CHEATING!!!

If you win by cheating where the hell is the glory in that.

I never touched a drug when I boxed. Double National Champion, 2 years undefeated , 52 fights, 46 wins. No offence mate what you just said is bulls**t. So every successful sportsman is on DRUGS lmao

[stpete]

Yes like other said, if you're not far into the cycle, drop the Prop, and cut the deca to 150 e3d instead of 300, and extend the cycle to 12 weeks, that would be necessarily if you want to see results especially from the deca.

Who said drop the prop? I didn't see that anywhere.

[acidking]

Who said drop the prop? I didn't see that anywhere.

Perhaps not in those exact words, but to that effect, as below:

you don't need multiple compound for your first cycle. Either prop or sust would have sufficed.

Sustenon is test, just like the prop is, just a different ester. Stick to 1 and hold off on the other.

Bumping up the sust if need to make up for the prop is also considerable, but hence it's his first cycle I think that won't be needed.

[bigsiv]

Any chance of your opinion on the cheating side acidking?

[acidking]

Yes, of course, bigsiv, here's my opinion: Congrats on your clean win.

[bigsiv]

Yes, of course, bigsiv, here's my opinion: Congrats on your clean win.

Ha ha ha ha SARCASM brilliant!!!!

Very mature buddy never mind. Thought this might have brought a good debate.

[stpete]

Perhaps not in those exact words, but to that effect, as below:





Bumping up the sust if need to make up for the prop is also considerable, but hence it's his first cycle I think that won't be needed.

No, Austin and Warmouth said "one or the other." In your comment, you said drop the prop w/no mention of the sust. I intepreted your comment as a deca only cycle for 12 weeks @ 150 e3d. I'm just clarifying so OP doesn't think running a deca only cycle is a good thing to do. Had you mentioned a sust dosage, i would have left it alone.

[smashnit86]

my understanding of the prop and sust is to keep my levels more even. is this not true or effective? taking half the deca and extending the cycle sounds good if ill still get good results. i have enough for 8 wks at e3d. should i do 150 wk 1-4 300 wk 5-8and 150 wk 9-12 and make it 12 wks? would that be worth while or a waste. he has a pct lined up for me but im not sure exactly what off hand. its on back order. and as far as competition congrats on being clean. that's very respectable. i have always been too. my next fight is 4 months out and at higher weight. i will be clean long before then. I've been wanting to go up in weight, i think its better suited for the way i fight. thank you for the replys so far and i look forward to more

[acidking]

No, Austin and Warmouth said "one or the other." In your comment, you said drop the prop w/no mention of the sust. I intepreted your comment as a deca only cycle for 12 weeks @ 150 e3d. I'm just clarifying so OP doesn't think running a deca only cycle is a good thing to do. Had you mentioned a sust dosage, i would have left it alone.

Use common sense, when I say 'drop the prop' it means drop the prop from the cycle, it doesn't mean 'drop the prop and the sustanon and run a deca only cycle'.

[bigsiv]

my understanding of the prop and sust is to keep my levels more even. is this not true or effective? taking half the deca and extending the cycle sounds good if ill still get good results.

The best way to jeep your blood levels stable is to inject the same mg each time. And frequent injections will reduce spikes in blood levels.

i have enough for 8 wks at e3d. should i do 150 wk 1-4 300 wk 5-8and 150 wk 9-12 and make it 12 wks? would that be worth while or a waste

As said before this will have your blood levels all over the place

he has a pct lined up for me but im not sure exactly what off hand.

PCT should be acquired before or at the same time of AAS purchase, bad perpetration buddy. You need te read more about PCT

its on back order. and as far as competition congrats on being clean. that's very respectable. i have always been too.

I boxed 10 years ago don't now bud

my next fight is 4 months out and at higher weight. i will be clean long before then. I've been wanting to go up in weight, i think its better suited for the way i fight.

It's still cheating but that's your choice, and Deca can stay in your system for long after 4 months. I think it's around 18 I will check that.


thank you for the replys so far and i look forward to more

Good luck bud

[Jackson182]

Hey people, I'm enjoying this thread lots of good information I'm learning!

I'm in a similar position with regards to this being my first cycle but in all honesty I'm just going for aesthetics rather than performance based results.

I'm trying deca only for 10 weeks and it's only 100mg too, is this too low to see results? My diets clean but not perfect and I'm consistent in the gym.

Advice would be greatly appreciated

[warmouth]

Hey people, I'm enjoying this thread lots of good information I'm learning!

I'm in a similar position with regards to this being my first cycle but in all honesty I'm just going for aesthetics rather than performance based results.

I'm trying deca only for 10 weeks and it's only 100mg too, is this too low to see results? My diets clean but not perfect and I'm consistent in the gym.

Advice would be greatly appreciated

Ah, of course. Are you trying to be the next "Son of Zeus". -zyzz

[Jackson182]

Nah, i dont wanna be anybody else, just a better me. I've trained hard for several years, it was mainly to be physically fit for football but I badly injured my ankle and I don't play anymore.

I am nearly finished my Personal Training qualification and I've seen some great gains whilst keeping my diet clean and periodising my work outs. I take in as much advise as possible and I like to learn perpetually. I've researched this stuff for a while and just kinda hoped I'd give it a go and see how I felt. I wasn't sure about mixing and/or 'sourcing' so I got what I could and I just wanted to know if it was a sensible option.

Honestly I'd appreciate some feedback, slate what I do or just advise on using other stuff.

I'm 29yo, 6'1", 200lbs and have 15% bodyfat (if those stats help?)

Thanks for any help

[MickeyKnox]

Hey people, I'm enjoying this thread lots of good information I'm learning!

I'm in a similar position with regards to this being my first cycle but in all honesty I'm just going for aesthetics rather than performance based results.

I'm trying deca only for 10 weeks and it's only 100mg too, is this too low to see results? My diets clean but not perfect and I'm consistent in the gym.

Advice would be greatly appreciated

Nah, i dont wanna be anybody else, just a better me. I've trained hard for several years, it was mainly to be physically fit for football but I badly injured my ankle and I don't play anymore.

I am nearly finished my Personal Training qualification and I've seen some great gains whilst keeping my diet clean and periodising my work outs. I take in as much advise as possible and I like to learn perpetually. I've researched this stuff for a while and just kinda hoped I'd give it a go and see how I felt. I wasn't sure about mixing and/or 'sourcing' so I got what I could and I just wanted to know if it was a sensible option.

Honestly I'd appreciate some feedback, slate what I do or just advise on using other stuff.

I'm 29yo, 6'1", 200lbs and have 15% bodyfat (if those stats help?)

Thanks for any help

Start your own thread please. We'll be more than happy to help you.

Thanks.

[Jackson182]

Ok buddy, thanks