Adding my own Test to TRT

**adam1805** · 11-21-2012, 05:12 AM

Here's a follow up to my first post, I was able to get my doc to examine test levels during my annual wellness physical. Turns it my test serum score was 480... not technically out of range, but low enough that he feels I could benefit from trt:

Program recommendation:
200mg Testosterone Cypionate program

Testosterone Cypionate
Protocol: 200mg/1 ml weekly
Anastrozole (20) 0.5MG capsules
Protocol: Take 1 capsule two times per week
Lipotropic cocktail(1) 1ml / 30ml vial
Protocol: one injection of 1 ml / 1000mcg per week
HCG (1) 5000 unit vial
Protocol: 2 x per week

POST TREATMENT: Starts 2 weeks after your last testosterone injection

HCG (1) 11,000 unit vial
Protocol: One injection of 1000 units for 10 days
Clomiphene Citrate (30) 51mg capsules
Protocol: One capsule 2 X per day

I'm a little skiddish about telling him i already had plans to do my own cycle of aas after the 1st of the year (second cycle in just over a year).

Does anyone think adding another 300mg of my own test (i have both test e and tri test 400) to this would be wise?

AD · 11-21-2012, 05:24 AM

hi adam
i must have missed your earlier posts, sorry.

for someone who is already on stable, long-term trt, running a cycle on top of trt should not be a problem cos the HPTA is already fried anyway. and the good thing is no pct is needed.

however, looking at your latest total test level of 480, i kind of wonder whether trt was the right treatment for you. like i said, i didnt see your previous posts, so i dont know your condition in detail.

another problem with you starting your cycle now, so soon into your trt, is that your doc may want to check your labs frequently in the beginning, to gauge your response to trt. the cycle would make reading your results very difficult.

**lovbyts** · 11-21-2012, 06:11 AM

Agreed, docs usually re test at either 2 or 3 months and then again in 3 months if things look ok. After that they do it ever 6 months for a year or more and if you are lucky it's 1 year after that.

I would NOT start cycle until you know you are stable and have a good base to work from. Another thing, I would NEVER tell a doctor you are going to cycle or have unless your life depended on it because your future may/will depend on it. You dont want any information in your file like that and he WILL put it in. Your insurance can/will find out about it and you could be denied future insurance, blame some future medical issue on the aas use and deny befits due to self inflicted negligence and it could cost you future employment.

Most people dont think about those things. Some will say they CANT share that information. Really? Happens all the time. Why do we keep hearing about this person or that in the news? One thing for sure is the future is unsure and laws (especially privacy) are always changing and it's never for us having MORE privacy.

**fit2bOld** · 11-21-2012, 07:20 AM

^^^Agree with above starting TRT is not to be taken lightly. 480 is quite good, and honestly not low enough to warrant a TRT protocol. Like lovbyts said retest in 3 months before making a decision. Trust me TRT gets to be a real drag.

**adam1805** · 11-21-2012, 08:36 AM

Its fair to say the docs I see for routine checkups and whatnot are "progressive" in terms of referring patients for elective treatments, that more old school physicians might frown upon. Their goal with my treatment is to raise that T score to 1050 - 1150 over 20 weeks. They even suggested adding hgh to get my igf to 300 - 350... although I'm passing due to the high cost.

In terms of physical appearance and lean mass gains, will their prescribed dosage do any good?

**fit2bOld** · 11-21-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by adam1805

Its fair to say the docs I see for routine checkups and whatnot are "progressive" in terms of referring patients for elective treatments, that more old school physicians might frown upon. Their goal with my treatment is to raise that T score to 1050 - 1150 over 20 weeks. They even suggested adding hgh to get my igf to 300 - 350... although I'm passing due to the high cost.

In terms of physical appearance and lean mass gains, will their prescribed dosage do any good?

More about your money than your health. IMHO

**kelkel** · 11-21-2012, 12:58 PM

Is this a doc or a clinic?
Post Treatment? WTF is that? You either need TRT or you don't. It's not something you should go on briefly then plan on a pct to come off. If that's the case then it isn't worth it in the long run. Every effort should be made to avoid TRT and improve your natural levels first and foremost. Seeing the rest of your BW would be a plus here. There are plenty of things you can do to maximize your natural levels.

If you want to cycle that's fine but don't confuse the two like your doc has....

**adam1805** · 11-21-2012, 10:11 PM

Kel, I'm not sure what you mean by doc or clinic, but this is my primary internal medicine doc. They have a very "holistic and progressive approach to medicine," as they will put it.

I ran a Test E only cycle about a year ago with nice results, and wanted to run another in a couple months (after tweaking diet and reducing bf% more). I wasn't real sure how to go about requesting bw specific to testosterone levels without having some complaints, so i threw the "sluggish/lack of libido" line at him. I never really expected to get a script for a pharma test, so I'm wondering if you guys think i should just go with it, and add some additional test from my source to get to the preferred dosage of around 500mg/ wk.

I'll have to get a copy of the bw results next week, and can post those if it helps.

**bp2000** · 11-21-2012, 10:25 PM

You are 34 and don't need TRT. You are wanting to cycle steriods

**EZ E** · 11-22-2012, 10:20 AM

Agree with Kel, your doc seems more interested in making money then he does in your health. That being said, if you want to do a cycle then by all means, but add to what the doc is going to give you. 500mgs/wk should be good.

**kelkel** · 11-22-2012, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by adam1805

Kel, I'm not sure what you mean by doc or clinic, but this is my primary internal medicine doc. They have a very "holistic and progressive approach to medicine," as they will put it.

I ran a Test E only cycle about a year ago with nice results, and wanted to run another in a couple months (after tweaking diet and reducing bf% more). I wasn't real sure how to go about requesting bw specific to testosterone levels without having some complaints, so i threw the "sluggish/lack of libido" line at him. I never really expected to get a script for a pharma test, so I'm wondering if you guys think i should just go with it, and add some additional test from my source to get to the preferred dosage of around 500mg/ wk.

I'll have to get a copy of the bw results next week, and can post those if it helps.

Adam, what I mean is that any astute doc knows that you don't "cycle" TRT. If a doc puts you on TRT it's for the long term after exhausting all other means to elevate your natural production. I'd love to hear his logic for a TRT cycle and then pct. He thinks you can benefit from TRT used for a matter of weeks? Then what, pct and back to your normal levels, maybe! This doc may be nice but he does not understand hormones IMO, nor does his logic make sense.

I do understand your desire to cycle. No problem with it. But, is this doc not going to monitor you during this "treatment?" If he does pull BW then you will not be able to explain your TT levels if you add more T on top of it.

That said, if your looking to cycle and this guy is going to prescribe you I do understand. Just consider all aspects first.

kel